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Disgraced Former Penn State DC Jerry Sandusky (convicted child molester)

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Bucklion said:
As you say, Pedophiles are never reformed because the urges never go away. The might be able to control their behavior, but it's much like an alcoholic not drinking. They are an alcoholic for life, just like they are pedophiles for life. And temptation is everywhere, all the time.
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So what is the best solution?

I have heard castration, but there is testosterone replacement, and what do you do with those rare but extant female offenders?

Then you have the death penalty, which surely eliminates the threat, but takes 18 years to carry out, and, as such, is very expensive and virtually destroys the benefit of deterrence.

So, as it is, I think I gotta go with life without parole as the penalty that protects kids the most and is the most practical. But if the death penalty was streamlined...
 
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i don't condone vigilante justice on behalf of a parent avenging a child's abuse, but i certainly understand it and wouldn't think any less of the parent.

personal story:

a woman very, very close to me had a boss in the 80s who repeatedly did to her the worst things a man can do to a woman. with a revolver in his hand, her husband went to the monster's house. what stopped the murder was her standing in the gun's way. she couldn't risk not having a father around for her children.

i guess the point of the story is that a father killing his child's molestor runs the risk of making the child even more of a victim.
 
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OSUK said:
So what is the best solution?

I have heard castration, but there is testosterone replacement, and what do you do with those rare but extant female offenders?

Then you have the death penalty, which surely eliminates the threat, but takes 18 years to carry out, and, as such, is very expensive and virtually destroys the benefit of deterrence.

So, as it is, I think I gotta go with life without parole as the penalty that protects kids the most and is the most practical. But if the death penalty was streamlined...
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OSU_Buckguy said:
in cases where there is 100% proof of molestation and the perpetrator returns to society, i think chemical castration should be codified. i can't think of a reason not to remove the person's sexual desire.
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Yes, I think chemical castration should be mandatory. I'm sure that my friends at the ACLU will object, but the alternative is death or locking them in a cage for the rest of their life. There is no way that anyone can justify to me releasing someone back in to society based on nothing more than their word that they won't victimize a child again.

And, to go on a bit of a tangent about your other post, I agree fully that the cycle of molestation often repeats itself, and if it isn't that specifically it is some other form of addiction. And I agree that every single one of those people deserved better than to be shattered by a monster. But I also think that as a society, we must do anything we can to break that cycle, even if it means stowing away the victimizers that were victims themselves forever. Those young kids deserved way better from life, but we also must prevent them from then creating more and more kids that deserved better from life.

Quick illustration of how this all goes was on TV the other night on the TV show Intervention. There was a black woman, age 53, who had been addicted to crack for 30 years. Turns out that she was molested by a family friend starting at age 7 and continuing until 11. She then became a dancer on the TV show Soul Train, bumping, grinding, sexualizing her body...at 13. At 15 she went to work for Ike and Tina Turner's show as a dancer, and anyone familiar with Ike Turner knows where that went. And so there it was. An innocent 7 year old girl turned into a hypersexualized, binge-drinking, coke-snorter by 15-16 years old. Later she tried crack, and the rest was history. And there she sat, navigating the Jungle in LA (many say it's the most dangerous area in the US) and watching Soul Train reruns on youtube in between rocks to relive her "glory days". It was all so very incredibly sad. You see the same types of stories on Hoarders. And I'm sure you see the same types of stories in your mentoring. Neurodevelopment at that age makes them so vulnerable to being ruined, and also the most vulnerable to predatory behavior.

Some monsters are born, but most are created. But, in the end, they are still monsters.
 
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Bucklion said:
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Quick illustration of how this all goes was on TV the other night on the TV show Intervention. There was a black woman, age 53, who had been addicted to crack for 30 years. Turns out that she was molested by a family friend starting at age 7 and continuing until 11. She then became a dancer on the TV show Soul Train, bumping, grinding, sexualizing her body...at 13. At 15 she went to work for Ike and Tina Turner's show as a dancer, and anyone familiar with Ike Turner knows where that went. And so there it was. An innocent 7 year old girl turned into a hypersexualized, binge-drinking, coke-snorter by 15-16 years old. Later she tried crack, and the rest was history. And there she sat, navigating the Jungle in LA (many say it's the most dangerous area in the US) and watching Soul Train reruns on youtube in between rocks to relive her "glory days". It was all so very incredibly sad. You see the same types of stories on Hoarders. And I'm sure you see the same types of stories in your mentoring. Neurodevelopment at that age makes them so vulnerable to being ruined, and also the most vulnerable to predatory behavior.

Some monsters are born, but most are created. But, in the end, they are still monsters.
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It's also a recurring theme on the TLC show about 600-pound people. Numerous times, once they get into therapy, it's revealed that they were molested as children--usually with no one finding out about it for a long time. Makes it especially nice to know they end up imprisoned in layers of flab as a response to not being able to control what is done to their bodies, then they get to hear the incessant ridicule for being morbidly obese, with mockers blaming them for their "lack of self control".

Just occurred to me as I was typing, that maybe that's what happened to Subway's Jared--he was grossly overweight to begin with. Maybe his fat was the result of abuse. Not that it's an excuse. But, dealing with the convoluted ways human brains become wired for compulsions isn't exactly simple. If it was, we'd have figured out how to fix it a long time ago.
 
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LostLassie said:
Just occurred to me as I was typing, that maybe that's what happened to Subway's Jared--he was grossly overweight to begin with. Maybe his fat was the result of abuse. Not that it's an excuse. But, dealing with the convoluted ways human brains become wired for compulsions isn't exactly simple. If it was, we'd have figured out how to fix it a long time ago.
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a revelation i had some time ago was reading a woman's reaction to being molested as a child. she soon became anorexic, cut her hair short, and wore baggy clothing. in essence, she wanted to look like a boy. she was made fun of for being "butch," but it was better than a guy finding her attractive.

sort of explains sinead o'connor's buzz cut and waifish body. it's too bad it took over a decade for everyone to recognize what she was trying to say when she tore in half the picture of the pope.
 
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OSUK said:
Reading the comments over on BWI made me sick. Some of those people are more concerned how this affects PSU football than the allegations themselves. It is sick and truly evidence of a cult.
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so wait, it wasn't all of them? isn't that a pretty significant improvement for bwi?

OSU_Buckguy said:
in cases where there is 100% proof of molestation and the perpetrator returns to society, i think chemical castration should be codified. i can't think of a reason not to remove the person's sexual desire.
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im curious, if your willing to go that route. what is your reasoning for returning them to society at all?
 
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OSU_Buckguy said:
in cases where there is 100% proof of molestation and the perpetrator returns to society, i think chemical castration should be codified. i can't think of a reason not to remove the person's sexual desire.
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Remove the predators sexual desire by removing the flow of blood/oxygen to their brain (preferably with a short rope and a tall tree) and I could live with this approach.

Hell, I'd even be ok with returning them to society and performing the operation publicly.
 
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martinss01 said:
so wait, it wasn't all of them? isn't that a pretty significant improvement for bwi?



im curious, if your willing to go that route. what is your reasoning for returning them to society at all?
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One of the most maddening statements that I've repeatedly heard in news reports about missing (and usually ultimately dead children) is "Police are questioning known-pedophile so-and-so..." Gee, thanks "justice" system. You know there's no such thing as a cure, yet you're perfectly willing to keep releasing them back into the population so they can take another shot at someone else's child.
 
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martinss01 said:
im curious, if your willing to go that route. what is your reasoning for returning them to society at all?
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what is my reasoning? precedent is my reasoning. find me a state that has a lifetime/death sentence for all absolutely proven child molesters. on the other hand, find me a state that has implemented chemical castration for some offenders being released to society. of the former, you'll find zero. of the latter, you'll find a handful. what i want and what can be done are two different things.
 
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