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E. Gordon Gee (official thread)

Discussion in 'Buckeye Football' started by sandgk, Jan 16, 2005.

  1. sandgk

    sandgk Watson, Crick & A Twist

    Gee's Great Experiment at Vandy - Dispatch Article

    Too humorous were he not deadly serious.
    Article on front page of Dispatch sports section this AM (don't have the web link).
    All about how he feels College athletics is now too commercial and promoting the solution he adopted at Vanderbilt. (i.e., get rid of the Athletic Department, relinquish budgetary responsibility, collegiate athletics funded out of general budget with academic / admin control of purse strings.
    Did have one pithy quote about how GG can take Vandy losing all the time in the SEC, where many of the schools they play have "single-digit" graduation rates.
    He feels his plan would be just the tonic for tOSU and hopes that KH sees it his way.

    Quotes from other collegiate AD's and presidents in the article belittle Gee's ideas.
  2. osugrad21

    osugrad21 Capo Regime Staff Member

    I remember Gee's plan from an article a few years back. It will fly at at school like Vandy or an Ivy League school, but athletics bring way too much money into a school like tOSU for a single entity to run the program. The entire Athletic Department is already scrambling just to control the monster so he wants to downsize? No chance.
  3. BoxCar_Willie

    BoxCar_Willie The World's Favorite Hobo

    Yeah this is great, just like his plan to have an all Homosexual Dorm. I met Gee on several occasions, nice man. Quite loopy though
  4. LightningRod

    LightningRod Senior

    Dr. E. Gordon Gee, whose only wish was to make as much money as his school's head football coach. He finally got his wish.

    Football coaching slaries
  5. sandgk

    sandgk Watson, Crick & A Twist

  6. Vandy and other schools with higher academic standards that play in big time conferences: Duke, NW, Standford are rarely going to be able to compete at football. It takes too many 'exceptions' to field a decent football team. They should just concentrate on basketball where one or two great players can take you to the sweet 16 or further.
  7. Steve19

    Steve19 Watching. Always watching. Staff Member

    Gosh, I wonder why ol' Gordie didn't propose this when he was President at OSU? :roll1:
  8. BuckeyeInTheBoro

    BuckeyeInTheBoro This space left intentionally blank

    Never trust a man in a bowtie.
  9. Wingate1217

    Wingate1217 Oh, double rainbow, it's so intense!!

    It seems Dr Gee has his priorities mixed up with his comments regarding his and the football coaches salaries. I always thought the graduation and placement rates and the salaries the school's graduates can command in the marketplace are the most important. Dr. Gee seems to think that the descrepancy between the football coach and the university president is more important. Jealousy is indeed a green-eyed monster.
  10. MililaniBuckeye

    MililaniBuckeye The satanic soulless freight train that is Ohio St Staff Member Tech Admin

    How does Vanderbilt gin up $1.8 billion in annual revenue?
  11. Steve19

    Steve19 Watching. Always watching. Staff Member

    See The Center's universities research report, including comments on subsidizing sports, at to see their research revenues.

    Over $300 million in fees from 11,000 students, $208 million in total research, $99 million in annual gifts, income on over $2 billion in endowments, over $4 billion in assets, big business indeed for a smaller university...

    <TABLE width="72%" border=0><TBODY><TR><TD vAlign=top align=left width="45%" rowSpan=3>[font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif][/font]FINANCIAL INFORMATION
    [size=-2](year ending 6/30/04)[/size][/font]

    [font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Total Net Assets: $3.56 billion

    Managed Endowment[/font]

    • [font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Market value: $2.26 billion [/font]
    • [font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Endowment utilized: 5.1%[/font]
    • [font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Endowment per student: $204,187 [/font]
    [font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Operating Budget: $1.9 billion[/font]

    [font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Revenues by Source[/font]

    • [font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Health Care: 60% [/font]
    • [font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Government, primarily research grants: 16% [/font]
    • [font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Net tuition, fees, room and board: 11%[/font]
    • [font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Gifts, private grants, and endowment distributions: 9% [/font]
    • [font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Other: 4%[/font]
    [font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Expenses by Function[/font]

    • [font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Health Care: 57% [/font]
    • [font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Instruction and other student services: 22% [/font]
    • [font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Research: 14% [/font]
    • [font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Institutional support: 3% [/font]
    • [font=Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif]Other: 4% [/font]
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  12. WestEnd

    WestEnd look ma no shoelaces, and I'm down with the KIIING

    I'm busy with work right now, but had to post on this subject, so forgive the poor writing, but ...

    people like to pile on this idea of Gee's, but the truth of the matter is Gee saw what was fundamentally the problem with bigtime college football/basketball ... it's no different than professional athletics. it's all about the revenue, the $$ ... and yet they operate under this farce of amateur-ism with this whole half-myth of promoting the student-athlete. The athletic departments at major football/basketball universities are generating so much revenue, and operate in large part independant from the rest of the university that they have begun to loose touch with what is going on university-wide ... they have different standards for student athletes in bigtime sports because they want to want to win. But really, the reason they want to keep winning is because they have to keep winning. They have to keep up this giant stream of revenue that they've built up that is supporting their entire athletic program. Why do you think the presidents of major universities would never seek an end to the bowl system? The system relies much too heavily on revenue from football. Changing that would fuck things up. the end public appearance of all this being the school is whoring its football programs at the expense of it's original intents ... education, personal growth(competing in athletics is part of this ... generating millions of $$ is not)

    Pretty much what it comes down to is whether or not you think that competition in the name of competition and school pride can continue in the face ever increasing monetary consequence. Look at the difference in revenue generated for a conferences Athletic Depts. that sends 2 teams to BCS bowls vs 1 or none. It's professional football here ... maybe not as far as the players or coaches are concerned but at the higher administrative levels it sure as [Mark May] is. That's why Gee blew up what needed to be blown up. not the game of college football ... but the administrative body whose goals stood to gain everything from astronomical revenues of bigtime sports.

    His hope is that by dispersing the Athletic Depts personel across the university they get a better idea of their place in the big picture, with the main benefit of being able to better distribute revenue across the university. At vanderbilt, this will hopefully help make the athletic dept better funded (allowing revenue from university in general to go to athletic dept ... since football teams brings in nothing), but at osu this type of organization may help other struggling departments by distrubiting athletic revenue.

    So whatever, call him a fag who wants to build homo dorms, but I think that he is one of the most perceptive individuals involved in higher education in america today.

    Also, if you know Gee, you'll know that he was half-joking about his salary and the football coaches ... his sole agenda isn't for HIM to make more money than Bobby Johnson ... it was for presidents to make more than coaches. again ... having to do with the state of cfb in major univ today, not personal.

    Now don't even get me started on the bcs vs a playoff when it comes to whoring 18yr olds vs. amateurism.
  13. Steve19

    Steve19 Watching. Always watching. Staff Member

    OSU has the largest sports admin department in the USA with a budget of $120 million, I think. Contrast that to the over $3 billion total budget and sports starts looking very unlike the tail that wags the dog!

    So, while I understand Professor Gee, I think he should stick to adding to his bow-tie collection and leave our football alone!
  14. how many academic scholarships come from football
    presedential-full ride honor kidsgets their money from the 1000 or so a year it costs them to get their decent seats

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