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E. Gordon Gee (official thread)

Discussion in 'Buckeye Football' started by sandgk, Jan 16, 2005.

  1. brutus2002

    brutus2002 Junior

    Its like when a politician talks tough about whipping a foreign countries ass in a conflict in which they never have or will fight in...fucking pathetic. Let the Generals talk [Mark May] pencilneck.
  2. ORD_Buckeye

    ORD_Buckeye Wrong glass, Sir.

    I think you're missing the point in the "x and o" comment. He was saying he's not a football coach when it comes to the minutia of the game. OTOH, he has every right to speak out on the larger issues surrounding college athletics and has been doing so for some time from his (whether you agree with it or not) arguments against a playoff to the athletic reforms he instituted at Vanderbilt.

    I'd go further and say that leading university presidents have an obligation to a leadership role. The alternative is the SEC model where everything is left in the hands of coaches, ads and boosters. I'll grant that he may have strayed a little to far, but it's better than erring on the side of leaving these issues in the hands of the coaches and espn.
  3. ORD_Buckeye

    ORD_Buckeye Wrong glass, Sir.

    Take note of the fact that Boysee agreed to this after Georgia slid to the bottom half of the SEC and might be staring down a possible coaching change. Note the timing of their agreeing to play UGA in contrast to them running for the hills at the prospect of playing Corn Aggy right when Pellini was getting that program rolling again.

    Trust me. They want no part of this Ohio State program at this particular time. They WILL find a way to weasel out of the game. They'd take a game with Michigan though.:biggrin:
  4. MaliBuckeye

    MaliBuckeye 1) Be A Man.

    Stated this before...

    If last bowl season didn't have a TCU/Boise match up, we're not having this conversation.

    Georgia Tech/UC

    Both the "Cinderellas" lose, and aren't ranked in the top ten preseason. Instead, the myth lives on.

    Ah well, it was worth it to see sUCks get pounded.
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  5. buckeyeintn

    buckeyeintn Senior

    (Bold mine)

    Exactly. The president is charged with the responsibilty of looking out for the best interests of the entire university. The coaches are charged with the responsibility of winning, hopefully in the right manner. Espn is charged with the responsibility of turning a profit.
  6. ORD_Buckeye

    ORD_Buckeye Wrong glass, Sir.

    I would hope there is a serious ratings boycott from major conference fans if Boysee and TCU play for the NC. I know I'll be going out to dinner that night. I'd be less disgusted watching UM play ND.
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  7. Diego-Bucks

    Diego-Bucks Lost in Canada

    Yes definitely. I see it both ways in this sense: Gee has the responsibility of doing what University Presidents ought to be doing, which is trying to fight for the interests of their University (in whatever arena: the sciences, athletics, undergraduate education). However, he also is not the football guy at Ohio State, nor for the Big Ten. So for me, I have a somewhat self-contradictory attitude on his getting involved in the issue.

    And I neither agree nor disagree with his opinion. He speaks the truth on the realities of major college football and the place of the upstart mid-majors, but Gee is also comfortable denying them the access necessary for those mid-majors to prove themselves to be major powerhouses in the long run. Thats ok, but its too easy to form a logical counter-argument against him because he has a motive to be inherently biased in favor of the current powerhouses and the status-quo.

    I absolutely took note of the Boise-Georgia game. ESPN forged ahead with the plans for that game to happen. I don't really know why Georgia agreed (they had to re-schedule a Louisville game and paid Louisville $700,000 to walk away from the season-opener), and the Bulldogs will probably lose big.

    Boise's ideal opponent is a middle of the road team with some national buzz that is in a power-conference: Oregon State, Texas A@M, Illinois, Georgia. They are teams with football history, in football conferences that do not currently have enough to actually beat the Broncos.

    Boise does not want to face the elite's. Virgina Tech was one of the only top-12 programs that the Broncos had a favorable match-up with due to the extreme offensive impotence on the VaTech program. They don't want to face Florida, USC, Texas, Ohio State, its risky and not worth the high-chance of a loss. But neither do those elite teams want to face Boise State because financially, its a net-loss, and if they lose then they lose prestige.
  8. DaveyBoy

    DaveyBoy Our Honor Defend

    I agree. We should be playing Boise instead of Colorado next year.
  9. ORD_Buckeye

    ORD_Buckeye Wrong glass, Sir.

    Does anyone know what our payday and payout are for a Texas or USC type home and home? Is it an equal and set amount for each game, or does each team pay out a percentage of their gate? If it's the former, it shouldn't be a financial loss relative to other home and homes. We'd give up our second (or third) game against a Fredo school for two years. Schedule it so the away comes in a year when we're playing our real marquee opponent at home, and we don't drop below 7 home games that year. Also, Boysee will undoubtedly still end up with a 10 win season and top 25 ranking once they hit conference play, so it will help us with the computers those two years.

    Oh yeah, schedule the first game at their place. That way they don't get the post-ass kicking revenge game at home.
  10. BrutusBobcat

    BrutusBobcat Icon and Entertainer

    I saw this in several ways:

    First, a pre-emptive strike against the MWC getting AQ status. That's the underlying message. He didn't say this in a vacuum...the big leagues are going to do everything they can to stop the MWC.

    Second, a statement justifying the future expansion of BCS leagues into the SE16, B16 and Pac-16.

    Third, his own personal justification for perhaps jettisoning the BCS at that point and replacing it with a series of bowls between the 3-4 surviving BCS leagues (adding ACC to the list?).

    Dr. Gee knows where this roadmap leads. He's one of the chief architects of the future of big time college football, and he knows where the chips will fall. They're not falling on Boise or TCU. Power is consolidating and those schools will be left out in the cold.
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  11. MaliBuckeye

    MaliBuckeye 1) Be A Man.

    For Southern Cal, it was $400 k, not sure what we got to travel.
  12. Diego-Bucks

    Diego-Bucks Lost in Canada

    If you could care to explain what you are seeing in Gee's quotes about all this because I am really not seeing either of your three points being addressed.

    First, I don't think he address much on the MWC into AQ issue, and if he is hinting at it then its in the vaguest way imaginable. The fact is that most in the media don't think the MWC will attain AQ status in the upcoming evaluation period, however the MWC has sent teams into the BCS for 3 out of the last 6 years, possibly 4 out of 7. With Boise/TCU dominance in the years ahead, I could see them being a pseudo-AQ conference anyways. He's not really arguing for their exclusion to the big-time bowl games more that their composite resumes don't indicate BCS National Title game discussion.

    Second... I really don't see how he is justifying the consolidation of power into the 16 team conferences. I'm not really even sure where this is hinted at.

    Third, he is a BCS and Bowl Game supporter. I am not sure he wants to blow up the system anyways, but further, I still don't see where he hints at these things.

    I am not sure if you are using a composite image of some of Gee's quotes/interviews from the recent past, but I just don't see where in this specific instance he addresses these issues. Could you explain a bit further?
  13. BuckeyeBill

    BuckeyeBill Sophmore

    +1. The BCS did college football a huge disservice by scheduling this game. A lot of these arguments would have been muted had they played any of the other schools in the BCS bowls. I was pissed when I heard of the arrangement.
  14. ORD_Buckeye

    ORD_Buckeye Wrong glass, Sir.

    What's done is done. What needs to happen now is that more top bcs programs need to publicly call them out the way Corn Aggy has. Attempt to schedule them and make the negotiations public. They'll be backed into a corner of either agreeing to a fair and equitable home and home or exposing the hypocrisy of their anywhere; anytime line to the nation.
  15. Buckeye513

    Buckeye513 Legend


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