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(ESPN) Buckeyes could break NFL draft day record

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how maurice is to be remembered by buckeye fans is still completely in his hands....if mo goes and has a decent/great nfl career and acts like a tosu alum....he will be fine....

if he brings more crap up against the university....he will be sold off and hated beyond his ability to realize...

MO...if your reading....go make it in the nfl...come back for a few tosu functions and you will always have a place...
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Cleve: The fact that Clarke and Bishop are even being seriously considered in the draft is surprising. Olivea was a decent lineman, but only Stepanovich in my mind is an NFL caliber lineman. Yet the chances are very good that all four will be on NFL teams.
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A lot of college linemen have size but inadequate strength and conditioning, or bad technique. Teams feel that with some marginal prospects will develop with NFL weight training and coaching. Therefore, NFL teams love to stash O-line prospects on the practice squad or IR. Some OL projects draw a paycheck for three or four years and never even suit up for a game. OSU's current crop of O-linemen look to be in that category - one or two might surprise and have decent careers.
 
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Nixon said:
So you put the winning of the national championship on Clarett's shoulders. Well, he get you one. That's one more than Eddie or Archie. If you want to blame him for not winning in 03, you have to credit him for winning in 02. One national title is more than all but 6 other OSU halfbacks delivered.

And I don't buy it anyway. If someone can explain how Maurice Clarett could have stopped scum from scoring 35 points on us, I'd love to hear it.
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We will never know about the outcome so let's not fight over this issue. The only possibility that we could prevent Michigan from scoring 35 points with Mo on the team is that we could have punted the ball away less times, which could mean less chances to score points for scum. Again, we will nver be able to tell. I would not put the NC on his shoulders alone because that would be unfair to the rest of that great team. I was upset and disappointed at Mo, but you move on and hope that he does well in the NFL. I don't like what he did, but he still is a Buckeye.
 
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Buckeye1 said:
I don't like what he did, but he still is a Buckeye.
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Says who? I, for one, do not agree that he was a Buckeye. He was one hell of a college football player (probably the best I've ever seen), but I feel he was also selfish, and did not care at all about The Ohio State University or his coaches or his teammates. Michael Doss defines "Buckeye". MoC does NOT have a whole lot of similarities with Doss.
 
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"I understand that point, but what about a game like against Indiana, where Lydell had a great day and we had a killer passing game. What if we pipe the ball to Big Mo and he fumbles 3 times like he did against NW? I know, we still would have beaten Indiana anyway, but the specific game is not the point. Having Clarett would change the dynamics of other games as well."

Clarett didn't fumble squat since the NW debacle...that was an aboration. Point is that Clarett playing in the Pig House would've have greatly changed the game.
 
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FKAGobucks877 said:
Says who?
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Him and I. What makes your opinion of who's a "Buckeye" the definitive one? If he played for Ohio State, he's a Buckeye in my eyes, provided he doesn't become a traitor like Gary Moeller or transfer out.

If Mike Doss is the standard, there may be about 50 "Buckeyes" in history at most.
 
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Buckeye1 said:
We will never know about the outcome so let's not fight over this issue. The only possibility that we could prevent Michigan from scoring 35 points with Mo on the team is that we could have punted the ball away less times, which could mean less chances to score points for scum. Again, we will nver be able to tell. I would not put the NC on his shoulders alone because that would be unfair to the rest of that great team. I was upset and disappointed at Mo, but you move on and hope that he does well in the NFL. I don't like what he did, but he still is a Buckeye.
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I actually disagree. #1, we control the ball more in that game if Mo is on the team. #2, the entire season plays out differently and the defense isn't exhausted going into that game because Mo allows us to run the ball and control the clock all season long. No way we win 2 games without scoring an offensive TD if Mo is in our backfield.

We allowed 35 pts because the defense was completely exhausted by a rough season where they carried the team going into that game. Mo changes that dynamic completely.
 
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Nixon said:
Him and I. What makes your opinion of who's a "Buckeye" the definitive one? If he played for Ohio State, he's a Buckeye in my eyes, provided he doesn't become a traitor like Gary Moeller or transfer out.

If Mike Doss is the standard, there may be about 50 "Buckeyes" in history at most.
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Ok, then what is your opinion of a "traitor"? Suing the university? Or calling the university administration "a bunch of liars"?

I just want to be sure...
 
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FKAGobucks877 said:
Ok, then what is your opinion of a "traitor"? Suing the university? Or calling the university administration "a bunch of liars"?

I just want to be sure...
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Being a traitor would be making false allegations about wrongdoing(Norma) or coaching for the enemy(Moeller).

If suing the university or attacking its administration makes you a traitor, then Earle Bruce is one of the biggest traitors ever. That's a silly definition if you ask me.
 
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how maurice is to be remembered by buckeye fans is still completely in his hands....if mo goes and has a decent/great nfl career and acts like a tosu alum....he will be fine....
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why does he have to do anything more to be a buckeye. what else do you want? freshman running record, insane amount of touchdowns, B10 Champs, NCs.......

hes a buckeye!
 
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hes not a buckeye if he tries to sue the university any further or tries to get the ncaa involved in any issues.....

thats what i meant by its all in his hands.....if he acts like a buckeye from here on out he can become like cris carter....if he ignores the buckeyes and goes on with life...he will be remembered as you described him....if he continues to cause problems for the university he is going to be hated....simple as that....
 
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I have gotten pulled into this argument too many times in the past, and I think it's best to just agree to disagree. I respect MoC as a football player, and loudly cheered for him for the majority of the time he was here. But I think MoC as a person is extremely selfish, immature, and disloyal. He's a self-serving Prima-dona headline chaser who detracted from the team with his off-the-field antics, and nobody, and I mean NOBODY, will ever be able to convince me that he EVER cared about tOSU, his teammates, or his coaches. He cared about himself, he cared about football, and he cared about his wallet. None of those things are necessarily bad, but when they are taken to the exteme he took them, they are. His was always the "me first" attitude, and that does not define a Buckeye. It takes more than talent on the gridiron to be a Buckeye.

Ok, I've said my piece, and I'll let it go....apologies to anyone I inadvertently offended.
 
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I agree with you, Dihard. If he did something like get the NCAA involved, that would meet my definition of a traitor.

I know FKA is done, but I'm still trying to figure out how his "off field antics" hurt the team when they won the National Championship for the first time in 32 years.
 
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YOU ARE OFF TOPIC! i

if you want to discuss MoC's legacy, then make a damn MoC thread!

okay, then... hmm... 1999 Draft: Joe Montgomery, Damon Moore, Antoine Winfield, Gary Berry, Andy Katzenmoyer, Dee Miller, Joe Germaine, Na'il Diggs, John Lumpkin- crap, i can't think of anyone else, probably a couple O-linemen i'm forgetting, but IIRC, there were 12 Buckeyes from the '98 squad on NFL rosters to start the '99 season... and that's not even counting the kids who left after the '99 and '00 seasons: Plummer, Clements, Ross, etc...

there will be a LOT of Buckeyes drafted in the next couple weeks, but i'm not sure that the talent the past two years is equal to the talent on the '98 team...
 
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Ok, quick response to Nixon, then we're back on-topic. Nixon, your question is easily answered. He took money and God knows what else, violated God knows how many NCAA rules, and as a result missed the entire 2003 season. Can you honestly tell me that the NCAA investigation and subsequent suspension did not affect his teammates in any way?

Now, back to topic...
 
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