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ohiobuck94
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StadiumDorm said:
The university can't control every player and tutor who cheat. It's on the players to have some moral values to know what is right and what is wrong.
This looks like ESpin is blaming the victim(tOSU) and ignoring the players' behaviors.
It's a strawman argument that ESpin is using. Take the weakest argument and ignore the strong points. ESPN is throwing Red Herrings left and right to distract from the issue of player accountability.
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OH10
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I agree that ESPN is spinning some things to make it sound worse than it is. But, there is some meat inside the spin. The only thing in the story that did not concern me was the mention of players talking up easy jobs - obviously, what college kid doesn't want their buddy to tell them about a cake job.
But the rest is scary. Ohio State has a responsibility to maintain reasonable control - and if Clarett is driving different luxury vehicles every week, someone is going to notice that. Reasonable control would require the coaches and athletic officials to make some kind of inquiry.
If the tutors are employed by the university, you're also looking at sanctions.
I'm surprised ESPN isn't running this story bigger because of the nature of the sources. I have no reason to believe that, if accurately quoted, Drew Carter, Jack Tucker, and Fred Pagac aren't credible sources.
But the rest is scary. Ohio State has a responsibility to maintain reasonable control - and if Clarett is driving different luxury vehicles every week, someone is going to notice that. Reasonable control would require the coaches and athletic officials to make some kind of inquiry.
If the tutors are employed by the university, you're also looking at sanctions.
I'm surprised ESPN isn't running this story bigger because of the nature of the sources. I have no reason to believe that, if accurately quoted, Drew Carter, Jack Tucker, and Fred Pagac aren't credible sources.
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ohiobuck94
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StadiumDorm said:
Players sign papers that indicate they understand the rules. tOSU educates players on the rules. If a player sneaks around breaking these rules whose character needs investigated-Tressel's and tOSU or the players?
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Hey, I didn't make the rules. I'm just saying that the article has some damaging meat as far as the rules are concerned.
But, I do think that there may have been some level of intentional ignorance on the part of the athletic program with regards to Clarett (again, assuming Carter was quoted accurately). And I would say that I have a problem with that. Not only is that unethical, but clearly it has put, at the very least, a blinding light on the program and could subject us to sanctions.
But, I do think that there may have been some level of intentional ignorance on the part of the athletic program with regards to Clarett (again, assuming Carter was quoted accurately). And I would say that I have a problem with that. Not only is that unethical, but clearly it has put, at the very least, a blinding light on the program and could subject us to sanctions.
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Airspace
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One point some of you need to remember is that Ohio State did an academic review when these stories first broke with MC two years ago. They reviewed the whole process, including the use of tutors. We are not talking about the athletic dept doing the review but the academic side. Going back to the early 60's, the academic side has not been a real fan of the athletic side. These were the same people that denied Ohio State a rose bowl bid in the early 60's. Now if they could turn some dirt up on the athletic side - don't you think they would. When I was there in the 70's, many professors still did not care about the resources spent on the athletic program. When my daughter was looking at colleges last year we visited Ohio State. The department member we visited with complained openly about the amount of money spent on athletics and how much better it could be used in education/research. To the administrators at The Ohio State University, their reputation academically is more important than any football games that we could win. They would not throw their academic reputation under the bus for some stupid jocks.
I put more faith and confidence in the academic side to get it right and insure the process than the athletic side. Are there players beating the system - maybe - I don't know. But the important thing is that it is not systematic but an individual problem. And the NCAA is more concerned about the process/system due to institutional control.
I put more faith and confidence in the academic side to get it right and insure the process than the athletic side. Are there players beating the system - maybe - I don't know. But the important thing is that it is not systematic but an individual problem. And the NCAA is more concerned about the process/system due to institutional control.
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You don't have to be a employed by the school to be a "tutor"...most "tutors" are fellow students.
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I have two concerns. First, we could be more objective in this discussiion..
What is an "easy" job? I worked in student employment at OSU and worked in a landscape crew. It was easy and boring work and I wasn't a jock. I took summer jobs in construction, sweeping and doing easy work and once drove a forklift at a paint company warehouse. All of these jobs paid nicely. All were easy. So, what's the problem? It's typical student employment. If you had an easy, but necessary, summer job at your company, who would you rather employ, a skinny kid like me or Nuge? Who would you expect to work harder? College temps often are resented, who would your staff be most likely to accept and work with?
What is a tutor and when does tutoring overstep the line? If someone sits with a player and helps him work out an outline and basically write a paper and then says, "Okay, now write this in your own words", is that wrong? I struggled the first two years at OSU. That’s what my TAs did at OSU and I wasn't connected with any athletics. I couldn't string a sentence together but can now, thanks to their help. How else do you learn to write? I overslept once for an exam while at OSU and arrived just as it finished. I was working two jobs and going to school and the professor knew it. He asked me to not speak to any student while I waited for him and then took me back to his office and let me write the exam immediately. Did he cross the line? Was that a special favor?
Second, what describes reasonable policing of NCAA rules?
I agree with DiHard. If OSU is guilty, then someone pays and they clean this up. But, except for these stories of Clarett and expensive cars, all I have seen is a subculture of entitlement in which some individuals whispered the identity of the latest mark to one another. I don't know how anyone controls that while respecting the players' constitutional rights to privacy. I also think such repugnant behavior is prevalent in a small group of players at every university with organized athletics in the world. And its not just OSU players. As long as you have fans, someone will give the high school or university hero, cheerleader or homecoming queen a free hamburger in order to bask in the reflected glow.
DiHard is right, let's stop discussing this until the NCAA rules. But, let’s also not automatically assume that OSU must be dirty. I know for a fact that OSU sends detailed letters to its faculty and boosters telling them not to aid players and advising them of the rules because I saw a letter when I visited a professor a few years ago. We can all agree that if MoC is driving up in a series of expensive cars, then someone has to ask about that. But, didn't Geiger say that it wasn't all expensive cars, some were old and not very good cars, and didn't he say that when they asked, MoC said he got them from his relatives and etc. Remember, OSU can't say all that it knows about this because it cannot disclose student records to anyone except the student. So, OSU can't speak out to clear itself.
To me, the question is, what can we reasonably expect the nation's largest athletics program to do when policing enforcement of NCAA rules? Can we reasonably expect OSU to stop Uncle Filmore or Aunt Tammy from letting "that nice Clarett boy" into the cinema for free? Should they put Troy Smith and Ted Ginn Jr under police guard (Ginn Sr could watch from Tressel's helicopter ). In my opinion, the only reason that MoC's allegations are receiving so much publicity is because Tressel oozes a kind of moral dimension that hearkens back to the 1950s and it makes OSU a target any time there is the least infraction.
It makes me angry to see that the press completely ignores it when the original author of the NYT story subsequently lies on his resume to try and get a job. Or that they link between him and Tom Friend at NYT is completely ignored. I am angry at the half-truths, the insinuations, the unbalanced reporting. I want the Big Ten to pull their business away from ESPN. I want OSU to sue them. This is not the freedom of the press that we and our fathers served in the military to protect.
So, ESPN can cite the players for their arrest records under Tressel, then fail to note when these occurred, who recruited the players, or the complete breakdown in discipline that lead to Cooper's termination. They can use Pagac, Jr to back up MoC's story but fail to mention his issues (and didn't he also have a drunk driving arrest?) They can ignore all the players coming forward who say these allegations are complete nonsense. And OSU has an ethics problem? This is disgusting.
So, I am all for this being investigated and reported but, if a few minor infringements have been made by selfish individuals, then I damn well want UM, USC, Miami, FSU, TENN, Nebraska, Oklahoma, and every other major program placed in the same spotlight before OSU is punished in any way.
What is an "easy" job? I worked in student employment at OSU and worked in a landscape crew. It was easy and boring work and I wasn't a jock. I took summer jobs in construction, sweeping and doing easy work and once drove a forklift at a paint company warehouse. All of these jobs paid nicely. All were easy. So, what's the problem? It's typical student employment. If you had an easy, but necessary, summer job at your company, who would you rather employ, a skinny kid like me or Nuge? Who would you expect to work harder? College temps often are resented, who would your staff be most likely to accept and work with?
What is a tutor and when does tutoring overstep the line? If someone sits with a player and helps him work out an outline and basically write a paper and then says, "Okay, now write this in your own words", is that wrong? I struggled the first two years at OSU. That’s what my TAs did at OSU and I wasn't connected with any athletics. I couldn't string a sentence together but can now, thanks to their help. How else do you learn to write? I overslept once for an exam while at OSU and arrived just as it finished. I was working two jobs and going to school and the professor knew it. He asked me to not speak to any student while I waited for him and then took me back to his office and let me write the exam immediately. Did he cross the line? Was that a special favor?
Second, what describes reasonable policing of NCAA rules?
I agree with DiHard. If OSU is guilty, then someone pays and they clean this up. But, except for these stories of Clarett and expensive cars, all I have seen is a subculture of entitlement in which some individuals whispered the identity of the latest mark to one another. I don't know how anyone controls that while respecting the players' constitutional rights to privacy. I also think such repugnant behavior is prevalent in a small group of players at every university with organized athletics in the world. And its not just OSU players. As long as you have fans, someone will give the high school or university hero, cheerleader or homecoming queen a free hamburger in order to bask in the reflected glow.
DiHard is right, let's stop discussing this until the NCAA rules. But, let’s also not automatically assume that OSU must be dirty. I know for a fact that OSU sends detailed letters to its faculty and boosters telling them not to aid players and advising them of the rules because I saw a letter when I visited a professor a few years ago. We can all agree that if MoC is driving up in a series of expensive cars, then someone has to ask about that. But, didn't Geiger say that it wasn't all expensive cars, some were old and not very good cars, and didn't he say that when they asked, MoC said he got them from his relatives and etc. Remember, OSU can't say all that it knows about this because it cannot disclose student records to anyone except the student. So, OSU can't speak out to clear itself.
To me, the question is, what can we reasonably expect the nation's largest athletics program to do when policing enforcement of NCAA rules? Can we reasonably expect OSU to stop Uncle Filmore or Aunt Tammy from letting "that nice Clarett boy" into the cinema for free? Should they put Troy Smith and Ted Ginn Jr under police guard (Ginn Sr could watch from Tressel's helicopter ). In my opinion, the only reason that MoC's allegations are receiving so much publicity is because Tressel oozes a kind of moral dimension that hearkens back to the 1950s and it makes OSU a target any time there is the least infraction.
It makes me angry to see that the press completely ignores it when the original author of the NYT story subsequently lies on his resume to try and get a job. Or that they link between him and Tom Friend at NYT is completely ignored. I am angry at the half-truths, the insinuations, the unbalanced reporting. I want the Big Ten to pull their business away from ESPN. I want OSU to sue them. This is not the freedom of the press that we and our fathers served in the military to protect.
So, ESPN can cite the players for their arrest records under Tressel, then fail to note when these occurred, who recruited the players, or the complete breakdown in discipline that lead to Cooper's termination. They can use Pagac, Jr to back up MoC's story but fail to mention his issues (and didn't he also have a drunk driving arrest?) They can ignore all the players coming forward who say these allegations are complete nonsense. And OSU has an ethics problem? This is disgusting.
So, I am all for this being investigated and reported but, if a few minor infringements have been made by selfish individuals, then I damn well want UM, USC, Miami, FSU, TENN, Nebraska, Oklahoma, and every other major program placed in the same spotlight before OSU is punished in any way.
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IrontonBuck
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Right On, Steve, Right On!!!!
Tack that one to the top, moderators. It's the truth.
Tack that one to the top, moderators. It's the truth.
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ysubuck
Be water my friend.
As I think about this situation, two things keep jumping out at me.
1. The thousands of dollars that Mo C was making still did not allow him to buy a plane ticket to Youngstown for his friend's funeral.
2. All of these guys that are getting taken care of (outside of Clarett) were non factors on the team. Drew Carter was having a nice senior season, but outside of that where are the star players that are getting these perks?
ESPN has a resource in Kirk Herbstreit that they have seen fit not to talk to. Players like Robert Smith "were never approached", but he's sure that others were. So Robert Smith never got anything either. Ok. Joey Galloway has said that he never even heard of anything like this going on. Galloway was a pretty important player, but he never got anything extra? Hell, Ted Ginn? Anyone following him around?
These "new guys" are no more credible than the rest, IMO. Who the hell is Jack Tucker?
ESPN is absolutely desperate at this point. Their credibility has been all but shattered so they aren't going to stop this until they have to.
Next on Sportscenter: Mike DeMaria had an off campus apartment during his stay at OSU. Film at 11:00.
1. The thousands of dollars that Mo C was making still did not allow him to buy a plane ticket to Youngstown for his friend's funeral.
2. All of these guys that are getting taken care of (outside of Clarett) were non factors on the team. Drew Carter was having a nice senior season, but outside of that where are the star players that are getting these perks?
ESPN has a resource in Kirk Herbstreit that they have seen fit not to talk to. Players like Robert Smith "were never approached", but he's sure that others were. So Robert Smith never got anything either. Ok. Joey Galloway has said that he never even heard of anything like this going on. Galloway was a pretty important player, but he never got anything extra? Hell, Ted Ginn? Anyone following him around?
These "new guys" are no more credible than the rest, IMO. Who the hell is Jack Tucker?
ESPN is absolutely desperate at this point. Their credibility has been all but shattered so they aren't going to stop this until they have to.
Next on Sportscenter: Mike DeMaria had an off campus apartment during his stay at OSU. Film at 11:00.
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billmac91
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If Drew Carter isn't telling the truth, what would be his reason?/.....I guess his statements could be taken out of context but I doubt this poorly. Does Drew Carter have an axe to grind? If he doesn't have an axe to grind, regardless of what he tells espn he's a douche bag........if he's telling the truth without an axe to grind he can fuck himself, and if he isn't telling the truth he can fuck himself for lying about the program..... drew carter is fucking his teammates on the national championship squad, as well as those on the team now.....there must be some motivation for a guy like carter to come forward......I honestly hope there is a motivation or this is very damagining news
-unless this guy needs attention after another blown knee, and very little money from his 7th round selection by the Panthers
-unless this guy needs attention after another blown knee, and very little money from his 7th round selection by the Panthers
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ohiobuck94
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From MinnesotaBuckeye:
I'm the journalism prof. I have marked Mr. Wickersham's article and have given him a "D." (I'm an easy grader.)
See my markings below.
By Seth Wickersham
ESPN The Magazine
The NCAA is now interested in talking with former Ohio State running back Maurice Clarett about possible improprieties surrounding the Buckeyes football program, ESPN has learned.
(Where’s the attribution?)
It remains unclear whether the NCAA, which visited Columbus on Nov. 15, will convene a new investigation into academic fraud and booster misconduct after Clarett implicated the school during an interview published in ESPN The Magazine earlier this month.
(This is a very poorly written "nut graph." Old information – this paragraph says nothing. "It remains unclear" means what?)
Buckeyes coach Jim Tressel and athletic director Andy Geiger have dismissed Clarett's charges during recent media gatherings, but new sources from within the program have told ESPN they believe Clarett, and the NCAA has reason to listen to the allegations.
(When you say “new sources from within the program,” if you mean Pagac, Tucker and Carter, you are being misleading. These guys aren’t in the program anymore.)
Three former Ohio State players -- the son of a former Buckeyes assistant coach, an Academic All-Big Ten selection and a current NFL player -- spoke about tutors doing classwork for members of the football team and of a booster culture that spawned "$100 handshakes" and high-paying, low-effort summer jobs.
Former Buckeyes linebacker Fred Pagac Jr., whose father Fred Sr. was an assistant coach at Ohio State for 19 years, says, "There are always people who will help you and cross the line. I've personally seen it happen. You had tutors who if you asked them for help writing a paper they'd end up writing it. You'd go in and ask help about specifics, and then it would end up getting written."
(Where's the connection between the coaches and this behavior from the tutors? Without that, this is a nonstory.)
Jack Tucker, an Academic All-Big Ten selection at fullback, also believes tutors complete homework for football players. "Absolutely," he says. "For someone to think it doesn't [happen], they're crazy."
(What question did you ask to elicit this answer? When you say “football players,” are you referring to OSU, or football players throughout college football?)
Carolina Panthers wide receiver Drew Carter describes a culture in which football players would find a "hookup" -- a tutor who does their homework for them or a booster who provides an easy, high-paying job -- and pass the information to their teammates. "Someone would be like, 'Man I got a paper due' and teammates would be like, 'Go to this guy,' " Carter says. "He'd write out a rough draft and say, 'Here, do it for yourself.' "
(The quote contradicts your paraphrasing. The tutors tell the players to do the work themselves.)
Though a number of other former players have told ESPN they never saw any wrongdoing in Columbus, Carter says it was common knowledge which tutors would do other people's work. "Yeah, the hookup," he says. "When you find that hookup, gotta help your teammates by letting them know about it."
(Where are the quotes from the former players who never saw wrongdoing? Where’s the link between this activity and the coaches/administration?)
Carter says "hook-ups" were also responsible for finding players cushy summer jobs. "A fan or an [alumnus], that's the hook-up. You go up to the guy through a friend; you don't even know him. It wasn't like, 'Oh, I need an easy job this summer, Coach.' Not like that at all. Somebody on the team has a job and you ask them, 'Is it hard?' And they say no and you say, 'OK, I'm gonna try and get on it.' "
(What’s the noncompliance issue here? How does this relate back to OSU coaches and/or administration?)
Carter did odd jobs when he was at Columbus for which he says he was paid up to $20 an hour. "You get a paycheck, $1,000 or something like that. It wasn't under the table; my job had my Social Security number and everything. But you still got paid quite a bit of money for sweeping, cleaning up stuff, doing like very, very light work. What you would call nonstrenuous work."
(What’s the noncompliance issue here?)
Clarett said he received money "in the thousands" from boosters after posting big rushing totals in games. On the subject of fans and boosters offering "$100 handshakes," Tucker responds as if it were common knowledge. "Yeah, I believe that happens," he says. "I mean, tell me something I don't already know."
(What question did you ask to elicit this answer? Again, are you referring to OSU, or football players throughout college football?)
Carter, Pagac and Tucker do not believe Tressel set up Clarett with vehicles. But Carter says it should have been obvious to the administration that Clarett was driving expensive cars. It was certainly a popular subject of conversation among players.
"I don't know how he got those cars, but he had them," Carter says. "It was blatant. I'd see him changing cars like every couple of weeks and it was like, damn. I don't know how the coaches could not have seen it."
(How do you know that OSU didn’t ask Clarett?)
Asked for a response, Steve Snapp, Ohio State's associate athletics director of communications, said: "In my opinion it's another example of selective journalism on [ESPN's] part and and an attempt to run an unbalanced story."
Last week Geiger criticized Clarett and the players who have backed his claims as "colossal failures."
Carter is offended by Geiger's statement and hopes he, along with Tucker and Pagac, will lend credibility to his former teammates. "Those are good guys who made some mistakes," he says, "but I don't think they're colossal failures. They're my friends, we went through it all together. If guys like Freddie and Jack and me went through it and didn't get in trouble and did everything right, but still, you know, got some perks because of it, are you gonna call us colossal failures, too?
(Irrelevant)
"That's why Ohio State is being afraid -- because if other people, legit people, like Freddie and Jack and myself, say stuff, then they'll be like, 'Oh no.' "
(Irrelevant)
(Finally, Seth, why didn’t you explain Fred Pagac, Jr.’s potential axe to grind? His father interviewed for the job after John Cooper was fired. Tressel got the job but didn’t retain Pagac as defensive coordinator.)
(Seth, you need to improve significantly between now and the end of the semester, if you expect to pass my course. If you are considering a career in journalism, I suggest you change your mind.)
ESPN The Magazine's Tom Friend and David Fleming contributed to this report.
I'm the journalism prof. I have marked Mr. Wickersham's article and have given him a "D." (I'm an easy grader.)
See my markings below.
By Seth Wickersham
ESPN The Magazine
The NCAA is now interested in talking with former Ohio State running back Maurice Clarett about possible improprieties surrounding the Buckeyes football program, ESPN has learned.
(Where’s the attribution?)
It remains unclear whether the NCAA, which visited Columbus on Nov. 15, will convene a new investigation into academic fraud and booster misconduct after Clarett implicated the school during an interview published in ESPN The Magazine earlier this month.
(This is a very poorly written "nut graph." Old information – this paragraph says nothing. "It remains unclear" means what?)
Buckeyes coach Jim Tressel and athletic director Andy Geiger have dismissed Clarett's charges during recent media gatherings, but new sources from within the program have told ESPN they believe Clarett, and the NCAA has reason to listen to the allegations.
(When you say “new sources from within the program,” if you mean Pagac, Tucker and Carter, you are being misleading. These guys aren’t in the program anymore.)
Three former Ohio State players -- the son of a former Buckeyes assistant coach, an Academic All-Big Ten selection and a current NFL player -- spoke about tutors doing classwork for members of the football team and of a booster culture that spawned "$100 handshakes" and high-paying, low-effort summer jobs.
Former Buckeyes linebacker Fred Pagac Jr., whose father Fred Sr. was an assistant coach at Ohio State for 19 years, says, "There are always people who will help you and cross the line. I've personally seen it happen. You had tutors who if you asked them for help writing a paper they'd end up writing it. You'd go in and ask help about specifics, and then it would end up getting written."
(Where's the connection between the coaches and this behavior from the tutors? Without that, this is a nonstory.)
Jack Tucker, an Academic All-Big Ten selection at fullback, also believes tutors complete homework for football players. "Absolutely," he says. "For someone to think it doesn't [happen], they're crazy."
(What question did you ask to elicit this answer? When you say “football players,” are you referring to OSU, or football players throughout college football?)
Carolina Panthers wide receiver Drew Carter describes a culture in which football players would find a "hookup" -- a tutor who does their homework for them or a booster who provides an easy, high-paying job -- and pass the information to their teammates. "Someone would be like, 'Man I got a paper due' and teammates would be like, 'Go to this guy,' " Carter says. "He'd write out a rough draft and say, 'Here, do it for yourself.' "
(The quote contradicts your paraphrasing. The tutors tell the players to do the work themselves.)
Though a number of other former players have told ESPN they never saw any wrongdoing in Columbus, Carter says it was common knowledge which tutors would do other people's work. "Yeah, the hookup," he says. "When you find that hookup, gotta help your teammates by letting them know about it."
(Where are the quotes from the former players who never saw wrongdoing? Where’s the link between this activity and the coaches/administration?)
Carter says "hook-ups" were also responsible for finding players cushy summer jobs. "A fan or an [alumnus], that's the hook-up. You go up to the guy through a friend; you don't even know him. It wasn't like, 'Oh, I need an easy job this summer, Coach.' Not like that at all. Somebody on the team has a job and you ask them, 'Is it hard?' And they say no and you say, 'OK, I'm gonna try and get on it.' "
(What’s the noncompliance issue here? How does this relate back to OSU coaches and/or administration?)
Carter did odd jobs when he was at Columbus for which he says he was paid up to $20 an hour. "You get a paycheck, $1,000 or something like that. It wasn't under the table; my job had my Social Security number and everything. But you still got paid quite a bit of money for sweeping, cleaning up stuff, doing like very, very light work. What you would call nonstrenuous work."
(What’s the noncompliance issue here?)
Clarett said he received money "in the thousands" from boosters after posting big rushing totals in games. On the subject of fans and boosters offering "$100 handshakes," Tucker responds as if it were common knowledge. "Yeah, I believe that happens," he says. "I mean, tell me something I don't already know."
(What question did you ask to elicit this answer? Again, are you referring to OSU, or football players throughout college football?)
Carter, Pagac and Tucker do not believe Tressel set up Clarett with vehicles. But Carter says it should have been obvious to the administration that Clarett was driving expensive cars. It was certainly a popular subject of conversation among players.
"I don't know how he got those cars, but he had them," Carter says. "It was blatant. I'd see him changing cars like every couple of weeks and it was like, damn. I don't know how the coaches could not have seen it."
(How do you know that OSU didn’t ask Clarett?)
Asked for a response, Steve Snapp, Ohio State's associate athletics director of communications, said: "In my opinion it's another example of selective journalism on [ESPN's] part and and an attempt to run an unbalanced story."
Last week Geiger criticized Clarett and the players who have backed his claims as "colossal failures."
Carter is offended by Geiger's statement and hopes he, along with Tucker and Pagac, will lend credibility to his former teammates. "Those are good guys who made some mistakes," he says, "but I don't think they're colossal failures. They're my friends, we went through it all together. If guys like Freddie and Jack and me went through it and didn't get in trouble and did everything right, but still, you know, got some perks because of it, are you gonna call us colossal failures, too?
(Irrelevant)
"That's why Ohio State is being afraid -- because if other people, legit people, like Freddie and Jack and myself, say stuff, then they'll be like, 'Oh no.' "
(Irrelevant)
(Finally, Seth, why didn’t you explain Fred Pagac, Jr.’s potential axe to grind? His father interviewed for the job after John Cooper was fired. Tressel got the job but didn’t retain Pagac as defensive coordinator.)
(Seth, you need to improve significantly between now and the end of the semester, if you expect to pass my course. If you are considering a career in journalism, I suggest you change your mind.)
ESPN The Magazine's Tom Friend and David Fleming contributed to this report.
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