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bigdog3300
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DZ83CK;2354273; said:
I don't believe that for a second - Spurs will absolutely hold onto DT's rights. Why in the world would they let him go when they own his rights and he's performed admirably so far?
Unless something has changed with the new CBA, the Spurs own his rights for 3 years. They don't need to sign him either, so there's no shot they'd ever let him go.
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inliner311
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bigdog3300;2354719; said:
I think the player has to be offered a contract at some point. I know they cant offer a international player a contract until his current contract is up or bought out. The player has a cap hold and a roster spot hold until he is signed or player/agent says he is going internationally. So in DT case, he will have to agree to go play overseas or they will have to release him to open up the roster spot for someone else. If they decide they don't want to sign him and he wouldn't go player overseas, they will try to trade him first and if that fails they will release him and their rights to him. Im not sure when all this has to be done by, but they do have a roster limit before training cap and then it has to be cut down before the start of the season.
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bigdog3300
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inliner311;2354767; said:
The one link I found stated teams hold rights for 3 years, no matter if they are Euro or college kids. As I stated though that was before the new CBA but I'd be very surprised if that changed. It's routine for teams to stash 2nd rounders overseas so I don't believe SAS has to sign anyone as they'll retain his rights. He won't hold a roster spot, just like the Cavs own Sasha Kaun's rights.
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inliner311
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bigdog3300;2354781; said:
I couldn't find any definite info on the matter, I don't think it happens that often that a 2nd round pick plays well in summer league and not to pick him up for the roster. DT case is unique, he would get interest from other teams if he isn't picked up for the roster for the spurs and the spurs are stacked and might not have space for him. Like the cavs own Sasha Kaun's rights because he plays overseas and there is something in the CBA about how they cant sign guys that are signed to international contracts. This is also why all those players who went to china when the strike was happening couldn't come back unless they got out of their contracts with the Chinese teams. This is also why draft and stash works, they cant sign players on international contracts but they get to keep their rights for 3 years if they never sign them. If they were able to keep the rights to a player and not giving them NBA minimum and a roster spot, they will just put almost every 2nd round pick in the D-league so they could develop the player and bring them up when they were ready. I know they cant do this, this is why the cavs had players like Kevin Jones and Luke Harangody (who was a 2nd round draft pick by the Celtics and traded to the cavs) on the roster, they played for the D-league team but they were on the cavs roster and getting league minimum. There would be no reason to ever release a 2nd round draft pick if they were able to keep their rights for 3 years, the d-league would then become exactly like the minor league system in baseball. But the d-league is littered with 2nd round picks that got released. This is also why they asked Southerland if he would go overseas for a year, if they could keep his rights for 3 years and he played in the d-league, they wouldn't care if he would go overseas or not. David Lighty is another example of this, he told teams he wouldn't go overseas and that's why he went undrafted. Jon Diebler said he would go and got drafted by the rockets. NBA teams draft and stash like this so they don't waste their 2nd round draft picks. NBA teams don't want to give roster spots away to players who need to develop.
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bigdog3300
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Finally found a link for this one, took awhile though....
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" Teams commonly draft international players with no intention of signing them immediately, "stashing" their rights away until they're ready to play in the NBA. Teams can retain draft rights to players for as much time as they want as long as they're playing professionally outside the NBA, so it's useful for teams that want to build assets for the future and avoid carrying a rookie (and his salary) on the bench."
Now it's usually international players as it's unusual for a college kid to get drafted and stashed unless he already was international, but this seems to be the case as unusual as it is.
The Spurs would have to release DT for any other team to pick him up, or trade him, but otherwise if Deshaun agrees to an international team with the plan of developing and returning to SA, his salary nor roster spot would be in effect.
Now let's just hope DT keeps earning his keep and this convo is moot!
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" Teams commonly draft international players with no intention of signing them immediately, "stashing" their rights away until they're ready to play in the NBA. Teams can retain draft rights to players for as much time as they want as long as they're playing professionally outside the NBA, so it's useful for teams that want to build assets for the future and avoid carrying a rookie (and his salary) on the bench."
Now it's usually international players as it's unusual for a college kid to get drafted and stashed unless he already was international, but this seems to be the case as unusual as it is.
The Spurs would have to release DT for any other team to pick him up, or trade him, but otherwise if Deshaun agrees to an international team with the plan of developing and returning to SA, his salary nor roster spot would be in effect.
Now let's just hope DT keeps earning his keep and this convo is moot!
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inliner311
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bigdog3300;2354824; said:
Yea I understand draft and stash. The point I was getting at was if DT plays well and the spurs ask him to go overseas but him and his agent refuse, what are the spurs and DT options at that point? The spurs can't possible say we wont give you a roster spot but we wont release you either. There has to be some NBA rule against this, just by everything that goes on with releasing 2nd round picks and the use of draft and stash. If a guy is able to play in the NBA, of age, and teams are willing to give him a spot, I cant see how the NBA can have rules or lack of them to stop him from being able to play.
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DZ83CK
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Yeah, if I were DT and the Spurs didn't have a roster spot available, I'd take my chances with getting released to allow another team to sign me rather than go overseas just to appease the Spurs organization - if they tell me they don't have room for me once, they can just as easily do it again in another year. No point in playing in Europe if he doesn't have to.
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inliner311
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DZ83CK;2354901; said:
Yea, DT will get picked up by some other team. With the hustle he showed on the defensive side (shows he willing to try to improve his D) and how well he was shooting, he looks like be belongs in the league. Going to Europe wont help his game at all, he is already a good shooter and he needs to work on getting better on D, which they play none of in Europe. Most the guys who go overseas never seem to make it back to the NBA, a lot of it is talent but I also think its hard for them to take the pay cut to come to the NBA for that first couple years.
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