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Floods, Fossils, Science and Faith (Split from Global Warming)

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Buckeyeskickbuttocks;736956; said:
Not to mention the fact that even if we accept the hackery as "true" we're still not left with the conclusion that the Bible is "correct." Interesting how creationists simply gloss over that... So as to not understate my point here...

Even if the holes poked in any particular theory are valid - that is, should someone "show" that assumption A (here scientists who would trust dating) cannot be true, the conclusion is not that assumption B (Here, creationism) must therefore be true.

It's interesting to me that Creationists never set out to prove anything regarding their theory, but instead assume they're correct because they think they've poked holes in the prevailing - and scientifically accepted - view. I said before that the fact that a majority believe something doesn't make it true, and I maintain that even now. Afterall, it used to be "known" by everyone that the earth was flat. Perhaps science is wrong about the date of the Earth... perhaps.... Regardless, the conclusion is still not "Creationists are therefore right" The benefit of science is that it can accomodate errors by refining the answer. Creationists are stuck with a book that doesn't change, and have to manipulate reality to conform with that which they for whatever reason feel needs to be "proven" so their silly, desperately weak, little God doesn't disappear.
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we still see archeopteryx in textbooks. :wink:
 
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Do-little concludes that after 50,000 years there's no more C14 left to be used for dating.... Seems to me, he doesn't understand simple mathematics. Work with me here.... (snip)
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Zeno's paradox, eh? how much is left after 50 years? i'll save you a step, there are 438,300 hours in 50 years. after 15 hours you have [SIZE=+1] 6.1035156 X 10[sup]-5[/sup][/SIZE]... the fact that there will always be something there doesn't change the fact that eventually you come to a point which is essentially zero. you wouldn't even be able to measure it. using the argument that there's no such thing as absolute zero is pointless (and cheap and obtuse, yet infernally clever) in this discussion. we're not talking quantum physics and string theory. we're talking about quantifieable data.

not to mention the fact that you are still assuming that the decay rate has always been constant. let me tell you something, relying on the 'principle of uniformity' is NOT science. it's a way to justify making unfounded assumptions.

which is the reason that Barry Setterfield's work which clearly indicates that the speed of light is slowing down is largely ignored by the scientific community. it tosses everything they know to the wind. in fact, a Russian physicist V.I Trotskii, postulated in 1987 that not only is light speed not constant, but it once traveled 10[sup]10[/sup] faster than it does now. what does THAT say about the age of the universe? what if atomic decay rates were different in the past as well?

do you know how common C-14 is in the atmosphere?
 
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lvbuckeye;737278; said:
which is the reason that Barry Setterfield's work which clearly indicates that the speed of light is slowing down is largely ignored by the scientific community. it tosses everything they know to the wind.
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Setterfield's work is ignored by the scientific community because there are so many flaws and oversights in his data that even the Institute for Creation Research had no other choice but to also reject it:
http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=articles&action=view&ID=283
 
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Jagdaddy;737509; said:
There isn't a thick layer of sediment all over the Earth. The thickness varies enormously and there's practically no sediment in lots of places, like the top of every large Colorado mountain I've ever climbed.
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link.

"The Colorado Plateau is one of the World's great show places for sedimentary rocks. Precambrian and all Phanerozoic periods except Ordovician and Silurian are represented. Especially well exposed are Permian through Jurassic sedimentary rocks that were deposited in mostly tropical desert sedimentary environments. These sedimentary rocks provide the focal point for the greatest concentration of National Parks in the World. The Grand Staircase, the southwestern escarpment of the Colorado Plateau, exposes one of the finest and most complete sedimentary sections anywhere!"

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t_BuckeyeScott;737138; said:
BKB, as a side note the posting behavior of many parties on this board does not allow me to take anything personally. I hope that my recent behavior towards you has come across as nothing less than civil and friendly. I'm sorry if I failed. If anything I should be offended that you apparently don't believe I have a highschool education( the part about explaining half life) but then maybe that's what you were saying was cheapshot not the medicated part. Either way I have seen way worse things on this board.
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No - you're cool, I haven't felt disrespected or such by your posts. As I said, I harbor no ill regard towards you, just utter contempt for "Creationism"

And I did mean the 'medicated' part as what I was calling the cheap shot... my half life discussion was directed at Pogge, not you.

Anyway, glad you're OK with my rant to the extent that it went from discussion to "personal"
 
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lvbuckeye;737519; said:
link.

"The Colorado Plateau is one of the World's great show places for sedimentary rocks. Precambrian and all Phanerozoic periods except Ordovician and Silurian are represented. Especially well exposed are Permian through Jurassic sedimentary rocks that were deposited in mostly tropical desert sedimentary environments. These sedimentary rocks provide the focal point for the greatest concentration of National Parks in the World. The Grand Staircase, the southwestern escarpment of the Colorado Plateau, exposes one of the finest and most complete sedimentary sections anywhere!"

:wink:
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The very webpage that you've provided a link for has a section entitled "Paleogeography and Geologic Evolution of North America" (http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~rcb7/nam.html) which includes images that show the paleogeography of North America over the last 550 million years. I find it ironic that you linked a website that explains how sedimentary rock was formed over the last few hundred million years and completely discredits your claim of a global flood and young Earth. :)
 
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Brewtus;737620; said:
The very webpage that you've provided a link for has a section entitled "Paleogeography and Geologic Evolution of North America" (http://jan.ucc.nau.edu/~rcb7/nam.html) which includes images that show the paleogeography of North America over the last 550 million years. I find it ironic that you linked a website that explains how sedimentary rock was formed over the last few hundred million years and completely discredits your claim of a global flood and young Earth. :)
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you missed the point. did you see the wink?
 
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lvbuckeye;737519; said:
link.

"The Colorado Plateau is one of the World's great show places for sedimentary rocks. Precambrian and all Phanerozoic periods except Ordovician and Silurian are represented. Especially well exposed are Permian through Jurassic sedimentary rocks that were deposited in mostly tropical desert sedimentary environments. These sedimentary rocks provide the focal point for the greatest concentration of National Parks in the World. The Grand Staircase, the southwestern escarpment of the Colorado Plateau, exposes one of the finest and most complete sedimentary sections anywhere!"

:wink:
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And it's beautiful to look at in many places, which don't include the tops of our peaks.
 
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