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Fox news tape with Clarke

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I feel bad for you prof, you spent a lot of time on you post concerning Mr. Clarke and his allegations. Now there's no credibility to it.
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Please don't ashlandbuck. For it is I who truly feel sorry for someone like yourself who is so blinded by Republican propaganda. (As I feel sorry for those who are blinded for Democratic propaganda). I just left a meeting with one of my coaches who has been a Bush supporter, is a proclaimed conservative, and he is having difficulties with the current administration. I ran by him (actually had him read) your "proof" about Clarke and before he saw my post his first comment was almost indentical to my post. Clarke was in national security for Reagan, Bush I, Clinton, and Bush II. He obviously knows how to keep his position through different administrations and it isn't by telling someone in an interview that his boss, the president, has bad policies. I am amazed at your naivete.

I guess the commission is made up of liars too? Where is your blind propaganda to shoot down what I posted. To remind you it was:

BTW, the commission did back up Clarke's assertion that on 01/25/01 (5 days after the inauguration) he presented two planning documents from the Clinton administration that called for a series of steps to pressure al-qaida. That is significant since Powell claimed that Clinton aides extensively briefed the incoming Bush team about the al-qaida threat, but didn't provide any specific plans. Not until Sept. 4, 2001 did the Bush administration have a plan for al-qaida (according to Powell).
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Or was it Powell who lied? Follow the timeline, it isn't difficult.

And you are so quick to jump on Clarke. What about your president Bush who said in an interview that "I didn't feel a sense of urgency." Was he lying during the interview or was he lying when he said that his administration was aware of the terrorist threat from day one? Which is it? It seems to me that Bush's comment actually SUPPORTS what Clarke said.
 
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"Well, the facts do seem to back him up, and the American people believe him. His book is number #1."

Having a book number one doesn't mean the American people believe him. Actually, having a book number one doesn't mean squat. For instance, when hilary clinton came out with her latest fiction book, to artificially inflate sales, liberal organizations bought hundreds of thousands of the fiction books and gave them out to their sheeple. It wasn't like individual Americans were buying her rant on paper, because the fact is, they weren't buying it.
 
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The more that comes out about all of this, the more I feel that NO civilians have any idea what goes on in D.C.. We all have our own ideas about what is happening in Washington but until someone who has been in closed door meetings tells me what it is really like, I will admit that I am clueless.
It cracks me up that anyone thinks they know anything from watching what people say to the media or in a book. If you were to write a book about your life would there be a bias towards yourself. I would think so considering you made said decision because you thought it was the right thing to do.
Face it, we live in a country where the only impact we can have on anything is what is happening in our own personal lives. Voting in national elections will only make you feel important as it makes no difference who you vote for because you do not know their hidden agenda.
 
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Well said basebuck! It seems that this parade of tell all books is a relatively new phenomenon. I really don't recall this happening much before the 80's. It seems that in the 50's and 60's it was understood that you didn't serve in an administration and then tell all. It just isn't politics but business as well. There have been tell all books about some companies (particularly high tech) quoting insiders or written by insiders. You would hope that you could trust your inner circle (in the White House or the boardroom) but in a capitalistic country people can profit from anything that they have that someone else wants, and "inquiring" minds are willing to pay for what others no. It all kind of reminds me of the motto of the "X-Files" : Trust no one.
 
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Buckeye69 wrote:

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LOL that's amusing, B69. So, I suppose the ~48% of voting americans who vote Democrat are 'sheelpe' and the ~48% of voting americans who vote Republican are 'well informed and insightful people with a firm grasp on reality'. Give me a break - who coined the term 'ditto-heads' anyway?
 
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I don't believe that you will see a 48 48 split this November despite what ABS, NBS, CBS, CNBS and MSNBS are telling you. Anyway, Sheeple can be found on both sides and probably are but a small percentage of each side who can't think for themselves, believe everything that they are spoonfed and watch Oprah Winfrey and Magnum PI reruns.
 
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"The more that comes out about all of this, the more I feel that NO civilians have any idea what goes on in D.C.. We all have our own ideas about what is happening in Washington but until someone who has been in closed door meetings tells me what it is really like, I will admit that I am clueless."

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exactly.....the entire world is run by three secret groups...the trilateral commission, the skull and bones and the council on foreign affairs.....

every president back to eisenhower has been a member of one of these three secret societies (long before becoming president).....

read the piece below....anyone wonder how gw "beat" gore....anyone wonder how kerry came out of nowhere and dean dropped like a rock....
 
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Skull & Bones: The Secret Society That Unites John Kerry and President Bush
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A little-known fact unites Democratic frontrunner John Kerry and President Bush: they are both members of Yale's secret society Skull and Bones. We speak with the author of "Secrets of the Tomb: Skull and Bones, the Ivy League, and the Hidden Paths of Power" that reveals details about the secret society and its members.

The New Hampshire primary is just a few days away and Howard Dean's status as the frontrunner has almost totally dissipated. The latest Boston Herald poll now shows that John Kerry holds a 10 point lead - a major surge for the Massachusetts Senator. Still reeling from his victory in Iowa, Kerry is starting to act like the frontrunner, shifting his focus from comparing himself to the other Democrats to putting his record up against President George W. Bush, saying he is the only candidate who can beat Bush and who represents a real difference from the current occupant of the White House.

But there is a fact about Kerry's past that brings him closer to Bush than any of the other candidates. Both Bush and Kerry are members of a secretive society dating back to their respective days at Yale University - Skull and Bones. This fact has not been widely reported but when Kerry's campaign spokesperson was asked about it, she said, "John Kerry has absolutely nothing to say on that subject. Sorry."
 
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DiHard said:
...the entire world is run by three secret groups...the triad, the skull and bones and the council on foreign affairs.....

every president back to eisenhower has been a member of one of these three secret societies (long before becoming president).....
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I've heard of "the triad." What are "the skull and bones" and "the council on foreign affairs?" Where do the "McKentrick Supplicants" fit into this theory?
 
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the triad....or trilateral commission dates back to egyptian times.....in fact its logo is on the back of US currency...the pyramid with the omnipotent eye over it.....a very, very, very, very exclusive society....

council of foreign affairs....offers its very exclusive membership to "self-made" individuals who exhibit ridiculous talents....

skull and bones....it is exclusive to yale.....but its members are a who's who of american power brokers....

the leaders of these groups gather annually for what is known as the bilderberger group.....this is the elite of the elite and security for this event is beyond comprehension.....this is where ALL world policy is decided....

whats interesting about these groups is that major newspaper and communications owners/leaders are members of these groups...and nothing gets reported....in fact...peter jennings was allowed to attend one of the bilderberger meetings......and only will say that it was decided that oil prices should be raised....and the next day the prices skyrocketed......jennings would report nothing else....
 
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I agree with you to a point, DiHard. I just feel that 98% of the population has no idea what is going on with the "elite" of society.

For me, anyone who even has the chance to run for president is not someone who I intrust with my security and well being during these times. The associations that these people have blow my mind and I find it impossible to relate to any of them. This includes many in Congress as well.
The Skull and Bones theory makes alot of sense because I cannot figure out why Kerry got the nod over Edwards and Dean.

To add to another post of mine from awhile back. I talked about people who were not educated on candidates should not vote. After reconsidering I feel that it is impossible to project what a candidate is going to do when being elected into office. It is basically a crap shoot IMO. I know that is a depressing thought but I seriously think that you would have to be a Washington Insider to make an educated decision. I dont know about any of you but I have a host of other responsablities in my life that do not afford me the oppurtunity to read through the bullshit clotted lines of what is todays media driven political arena.
 
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