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They haven't done anything this season that was a surprise other than Dany turning to the dark side faster than Darth Vader. People keep trying to out think the show runners so I'm picking the most obvious ending. I know Martin told them how it will end so there could be a twist, but how many times has Jon been a second away from death and saved? Mance and Stanis, Battle of the Bastards, Winterfell, brought back to life by the Lord of Light, and probably others that I'm missing. I have a hard time seeing an ending where Dany doesn't find a small way to redeem herself. Of course they could find a way to have them go out like the Cleganes and someone else gets the throne. Perhaps Gendry likes gingers.
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Buckeye86
I do not choose to discuss it
I just read a tweet that seems like such an elegant and simple fix to the problem I outlined above.
Why not just delay killing Rhaegal in the world breakingly stupid manner they went with, have both dragons take part in the battle of Kings Landing, and then have Rhaegal’s death in the battle (and make it in some really unethical, infuriating way - and make the average Joe citizens be at least partially responsible for it so that her wrath being directed at them makes some logical sense) be what triggers Dany to go on her rampage?
Why not just delay killing Rhaegal in the world breakingly stupid manner they went with, have both dragons take part in the battle of Kings Landing, and then have Rhaegal’s death in the battle (and make it in some really unethical, infuriating way - and make the average Joe citizens be at least partially responsible for it so that her wrath being directed at them makes some logical sense) be what triggers Dany to go on her rampage?
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I've been thinking more about Dany and fear. She realized that the only way she will be accepted as the ruler is by fear. There's no doubt that the people of Kings Landing were afraid when they surrendered, but they were afraid of Drogon, not of Dany. If she ascends to throne at that point, people will fear her in battle, but what reason do they have to fear her if they aren't actively engaged in a fight?
By doing what she did, not only did she guarantee that the people of KL (well.....what's left of them, at least) would be terrified not only of Drogon, but also of her....and she also sent notice to everyone in westeros that she absolutely positively is not someone to fuck with. She went from being a fearsome opponent to a fearsome person.
She still gonna die next week.
By doing what she did, not only did she guarantee that the people of KL (well.....what's left of them, at least) would be terrified not only of Drogon, but also of her....and she also sent notice to everyone in westeros that she absolutely positively is not someone to fuck with. She went from being a fearsome opponent to a fearsome person.
She still gonna die next week.
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RugbyBuck
Our church has no bells.
She even said this and then went and did what she said. I don't understand the confusion over her dark turn. She'd always had that side, we were just supposed to appreciate it because she only used it on bad guys (slavers, khals, etc). It was there, but tempered by her better instincts and those of her advisors. She gets to Westeros and feels mistrusted and disrespected (no one cares that I freed Mereen, blah, blah...), continues to listen to advice that she rein in her use of the dragons, either for her safety or to protect the people, and bad things keep happening. I don't think she was lying when she told Tyrion she'd pull up if she heard the surrender bells, but then, in the moment, she thinks that if she lets them surrender, it's going to be the sons of the harpy all over again, but worse, and decides to show them in advance not to fuck with her. She started out with the troops who'd surrendered and got caught up in it and just went ham. She was playing a video game and was distanced from what was actually happening at that point.I've been thinking more about Dany and fear. She realized that the only way she will be accepted as the ruler is by fear. There's no doubt that the people of Kings Landing were afraid when they surrendered, but they were afraid of Drogon, not of Dany. If she ascends to throne at that point, people will fear her in battle, but what reason do they have to fear her if they aren't actively engaged in a fight?
By doing what she did, not only did she guarantee that the people of KL (well.....what's left of them, at least) would be terrified not only of Drogon, but also of her....and she also sent notice to everyone in westeros that she absolutely positively is not someone to fuck with. She went from being a fearsome opponent to a fearsome person.
She still gonna die next week.
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Patch Notes for Episode 5
1. Scorpions got nerfed. Significantly reduced accuracy. And the hero character Euron no longer gives a bonus to Scorpion accuracy.
2. Dragons got buffed. Speed and stealth have both been increased. They can now take the hide action while flying.
3. Dothraki have been added back to the game. Fans were upset about their removal, so they’re back now.
4. Battle Times have been shortened. Complaints that the Battle of Winterfell lasted too long have been heard, so now battles last no longer than 5 minutes.
5. Northerners and Unsullied both have reduced honor and morality meters. It is now possible for them to commit war crimes with little to no provocation.
6. Cersei’s speed has been reduced. She now moves sluggishly, if at all.
7. Euron’s plot armor has been removed.
8. The Mountain’s loyalty has been reduced for the introduction of the Cleganebowl game type.
9. Arya’s conviction has been reduced after complaints that she was too OP. Her plot armor has been significantly increased to compensate.
1. Scorpions got nerfed. Significantly reduced accuracy. And the hero character Euron no longer gives a bonus to Scorpion accuracy.
2. Dragons got buffed. Speed and stealth have both been increased. They can now take the hide action while flying.
3. Dothraki have been added back to the game. Fans were upset about their removal, so they’re back now.
4. Battle Times have been shortened. Complaints that the Battle of Winterfell lasted too long have been heard, so now battles last no longer than 5 minutes.
5. Northerners and Unsullied both have reduced honor and morality meters. It is now possible for them to commit war crimes with little to no provocation.
6. Cersei’s speed has been reduced. She now moves sluggishly, if at all.
7. Euron’s plot armor has been removed.
8. The Mountain’s loyalty has been reduced for the introduction of the Cleganebowl game type.
9. Arya’s conviction has been reduced after complaints that she was too OP. Her plot armor has been significantly increased to compensate.
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RugbyBuck
Our church has no bells.
I watched half of the last episode at lunch and had a couple of thoughts as to my earlier post(s) about Dany going ham.
First, as she's sitting there waiting for the bells to ring and then when they do she does a really good job of displaying various emotions and her thought process through facial expression. She goes from expectancy to actual fear after the bells start ringing as she realizes that their surrender may be good for everyone but her and she seems to feel the darkness coming on and fights against it, for a few seconds. She then seems to be ok with the dracarys decision.
Second, I think I was wrong that she started with burning the Lannister troops and then got out of hand. It looks like she started for the Red Keep and then was like, fuck it, Cersei isn't going anywhere, Imma show these bitches who's queen and then go take care of her. The first to burn in the streets were a mixture of troops and civilians, but mostly civilians.
Third, I like that we didn't see her up close again. That emphasized that it didn't matter on the ground who she was or why she was doing it. A mentally tortured Dany, for instance, flying around burning people, but wishing she wasn't doing it would be stupid rather than adding complexity. We already knew where her head was and that she continued to do it reiterated it. The detachment and objectivism from both sides underscored the horror of it for me.
First, as she's sitting there waiting for the bells to ring and then when they do she does a really good job of displaying various emotions and her thought process through facial expression. She goes from expectancy to actual fear after the bells start ringing as she realizes that their surrender may be good for everyone but her and she seems to feel the darkness coming on and fights against it, for a few seconds. She then seems to be ok with the dracarys decision.
Second, I think I was wrong that she started with burning the Lannister troops and then got out of hand. It looks like she started for the Red Keep and then was like, fuck it, Cersei isn't going anywhere, Imma show these bitches who's queen and then go take care of her. The first to burn in the streets were a mixture of troops and civilians, but mostly civilians.
Third, I like that we didn't see her up close again. That emphasized that it didn't matter on the ground who she was or why she was doing it. A mentally tortured Dany, for instance, flying around burning people, but wishing she wasn't doing it would be stupid rather than adding complexity. We already knew where her head was and that she continued to do it reiterated it. The detachment and objectivism from both sides underscored the horror of it for me.
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He entire change of behavior could have been clearly explained simply by showing a bloody tampon.
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Buckeye86
I do not choose to discuss it
My thought process was:
Why are they trying to build tension like she is going to burn King’s Landing if they don’t surrender? this doesn’t make any sense because she just won a super easy victory whether they surrender or not.
And then, after the bells rang, why is she getting super pissed? this makes no sense because she just won a super easy victory and everyone surrendered. She officially accomplished her goal and she can now fly back to Dragonstone for all anyone cares and the results of the battle will be exactly the same.
And then, while she was burning everything, oh, this is dumb, she has no reason to be doing this, she’s not even going after Cersei, the person she hates the most for beheading her best friend in the previous episode.
Although they established she was capable of doing it, they did a really, really bad job of establishing why she did it.
And I think the “rule by fear” thing holds a little bit of water- but the people would rightfully be plenty afraid of the dragon regardless of if she burns down the city or not.
I don’t find the “they’ll fear my dragon but not me” line of reasoning very compelling.
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ExpatAkronite
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The real question is: will there be nudity in the final episode?
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