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Game Thread Game One: Ohio State 34, Miami of Ohio 14 (final)

what is really important is that this team will provide osu with a legitimate challenge, unle louisiana lafayette creole cooking school or whoever texas is playing.

i look for jt to call a tight game and work on the base fundamental bread and butter offensive plays to not show too much, but occassionally throw in a few little tricks just to keep everyone on their toes.

its a nice early test for osu.
 
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I personally like both Zwith and Smick......

Like CinciBuck says, tough early test against a presumably lesser opponent could lead to a slow start for us.
Will our experience and athletes on D dominate consistently?
Will the run game produce early?
Will Justin click at the right times?
If these three things happen I don't see Miami having a chance at keeping it close.
 
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I like some of the latter posts here, especially the ones that involve Ryne Robinson. As a Miami student, I have seen Robinson return more than a couple punts for TD's. This kid is Dangerous (capital D you see)! He had a few called back last year on unrelated penalties, so this kid has some skill. That goes for a few other Redhawks as well, most notably Nande and Nance.

The biggest thing this game comes down to IMO is depth. OSU has it and Miami doesn't. The Redhawk lines are a bit undersized, so that's one area to look at, but overall depth is the biggie. Bucks have so much talent, especially young, it is unreal. I'm willing to bet that the second stringers could beat Miami's first stringers. This DOES NOT mean a blowout. I like the Cincy references to last year, and that 34-13 prediction is a good one. IMO Miami is the perfect tune-up for Texas. A good amount of talent for an early test, but probably not enough to seriously challenge us.
 
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Being a Toledo student, I can rehash memories of Miami's play vs. Toledo (UT) in the MAC Championship game.

Toledo's weakness last year was on defense. Larkin was an absolute handful for our DB's (including all-MAC safety Patrick Body). Their strength on O, without a doubt, will be the pass. Afterall, seven different people caught footballs that night, led by Larkin's 9 catches for 130+. They are a well-rehearsed team in the air. Their running game was stopped by a young front 7, but will be more experienced. Toledo depended on a STELLAR offense all year, so all the winning and losing depended on how well they defended. If Toledo could beat a Miami team with Larkin on it and hold them to 27 points, I think a high-powered D led by Hawk & Carp should be more than enough to handle Miami's O.

On defense, UT kept them off-balance by really mixing up the playbook with run and pass schemes. UT RB Scooter McDougal (gotta love that name) had a career night running the ball for nearly 170 yards before tearing his ACL late in the 4th quarter. Long balls worked well (4 TD catches of 22+ yards), and the screen pass (UT's bread and butter) didn't work like it had all year, due to Miami's pregame preparation. I think this will be where things will get interesting, as the Bucks have a young running game and Zwick will (most likely) be the one sitting in the pocket. Ginn, Gonzo, and Holmes should catch some bombs deep. Overall, should be a good game and great preparation for Texas, but the Bucks should win by more than 10.
 
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BuckeyeFROMscUM said:
Keep in mind that when clarett was healthy we were smothering teams. 45-21 over a good TxTech team. 51-17 Kent State. 25-7 #7 WSU. 23-19 Cinci. 45-17 IU. 27-16 NW. 50-7 SJSU.
Your point is well taken but let me be the first to say I think we've given a little too much credit to Clarett. He didn't play in the Cincinnati game... he almost cost us the Northwestern game, he had great moments against Wazzu but the defense beat the Cougars and shut down Cribbs against Kent. Granted, he was a great player but most of our wins during the championship run came because of great defense and special teams. How many times did a key interception, fumble recovery, timely sack, great punt return or booming kick give us great field position. I think you'd join me in not caring whether we win by 7 or 70 as long as we run the table.
 
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Carmen Ohio said:
Your point is well taken but let me be the first to say I think we've given a little too much credit to Clarett. He didn't play in the Cincinnati game... he almost cost us the Northwestern game, he had great moments against Wazzu but the defense beat the Cougars and shut down Cribbs against Kent. Granted, he was a great player but most of our wins during the championship run came because of great defense and special teams. How many times did a key interception, fumble recovery, timely sack, great punt return or booming kick give us great field position. I think you'd join me in not caring whether we win by 7 or 70 as long as we run the table.
Carmen I don't care wheter we win by 7 or 70 but he is not giving to much credit to Clarrett. The only game in which the O didnt perform real well when we had Clarrett was Cincy. How can you say he didnt really help in Wazzu. I believe he had 240. Yeah the defense shut down Cribs in KSU, but if Ross was the starting rb I can gurantee we don't score 50. Get my drift, our offense was based on Clarrett. Hence the problems we had against ILL, Wisc, and Purdue.
 
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crazybuckfan40 said:
Carmen I don't care wheter we win by 7 or 70 but he is not giving to much credit to Clarrett. The only game in which the O didnt perform real well when we had Clarrett was Cincy. How can you say he didnt really help in Wazzu. I believe he had 240. Yeah the defense shut down Cribs in KSU, but if Ross was the starting rb I can gurantee we don't score 50. Get my drift, our offense was based on Clarrett. Hence the problems we had against ILL, Wisc, and Purdue.


MoC did not play vs UC in 2002. He was recovering from the minor knee surgery following the WSU game.

Anyone who thinks his value to that '02 team is being overestimated needs to go pop in the scUM tape. We lose that game without him, he simply made the difference offensively despite the injured shoulder.

Also, if the same idea is being spouted about MoC's impact on that Wazzou game I'd have to say your talking to someone who needs to buy a clue. His 200+ yards aside the key moment in that game was his long run to start the second half.

I don't like the guy anymore than than the next OSU fan, however to try and diminish what he did on the field in 2002 because of what has come afterward is just being dishonest. He was a difference maker who allowed JT to run, run, run and run again while eating up the clock controlling field position and resting the D.

The lack of a dominant back has been our most glaring weakness the past 2 years. If we had MoC for all 3 years I don't know how many games we would have lost but it sure as hell would be a few less than we have.
 
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crazybuckfan40 said:
Carmen I don't care wheter we win by 7 or 70 but he is not giving to much credit to Clarrett. The only game in which the O didnt perform real well when we had Clarrett was Cincy. How can you say he didnt really help in Wazzu. I believe he had 240. Yeah the defense shut down Cribs in KSU, but if Ross was the starting rb I can gurantee we don't score 50. Get my drift, our offense was based on Clarrett. Hence the problems we had against ILL, Wisc, and Purdue.
Read the post... don't react to what you think is the inference. I said a LITTLE too much credit to Clarett... he DIDN'T PLAY against Cincinnati... he had A GREAT PERFORMANCE against Wazzu (who only scored 7 points)... Where in my post did I say he "really didn't help". Clarett PLAYED in the Wisconsin game and if memory serves me right he got the stinger after the game was finally in hand. If you don't care whether we win by 7 or 70 why do you care so much that he ran for 240 yards. If you're going to talk about what it takes to be a championship team it seems you would know that NO one person is more important than the sum of all the parts, CLARETT WAS A GREAT PLAYER, but he was not the main reason we won the national championship.

Jaxbuck said:
Also, if the same idea is being spouted about MoC's impact on that Wazzou game I'd have to say your talking to someone who needs to buy a clue. His 200+ yards aside the key moment in that game was his long run to start the second half.

I don't like the guy anymore than than the next OSU fan, however to try and diminish what he did on the field in 2002 because of what has come afterward is just being dishonest. He was a difference maker who allowed JT to run, run, run and run again while eating up the clock controlling field position and resting the D.

The lack of a dominant back has been our most glaring weakness the past 2 years. If we had MoC for all 3 years I don't know how many games we would have lost but it sure as hell would be a few less than we have.
Nobody said he didn't have an impact on the Wazzu game... the post read that he had a great game.... but the defense shut the Cougars down. It seems some forget names like Doss, Wilhelm, Gamble, Smith, Peterson and Groom who also had their share of great moments in 2002. Clarett was stellar in nearly every game he played in but he wasn't by himself and we had to win about half of them without him. Where in my post do I "diminish" him for "what has come afterward". Furthermore, our losses in 2003 and 2004 and prospects for 2005 have nothing to do with a dominant back. In 2003 Mangold and Clarke couldn't keep Hawthorne out of our backfield... and Gamble was burned by an Evans double move against Wisky... Against TSUN, Chris Perry ran the ball down our throats because we were out-schemed. Remember that if we had beaten Michigan in 03 we would have been back in the NC and in my opinion would have beaten LSU or Oklahoma (we destroyed the team that destroyed them). In 2004, with all the youth we had on our O-line I don't know how anybody could expect much more than what happened.

The bottom line of my post is that many OSU fans predict a NC run this year even though we don't have a Clarett-esque running back because we should have a great defense, great special teams, game breakers at WR, a deep O-Line, wily QB's and a coach who knows how to win. The same things we had when we needed a victory without Clarett in 2002. When you watch a football game... don't just look at the big plays. Many people remember Clarett stripping the ball against Miami as a game breaker. I remember Kellen Winslow being mercilessly bitch-slapped by Will Smith and a D who threw Dorsey around like a ragdoll through most of the game. Give credit to Clarett, but there's enough to go around to other guys too.

Isn't this thread about the Miami, Ohio game?
 
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Isn't this thread about the Miami, Ohio game?

It's supposed to be. If you go to the message board link I put up you'll see some things that might get the conversation going a bit.

They essentially sound like the UC faithful last year. Their athletes are every bit as good as ours, best Defense in Miami history, blah, blah, blah....

They still lost to the only 2 BCS teams they played last year, they still are a one dimesional passing team that lost its best WR, they still are in for an ass whipping.
 
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they still are a one dimesional passing team that lost its best WR
Total Offense
400 ypg v 320 ypg

Rushing
120 ypg v 145 ypg

Passing
279 ypg v 175 ypg

I'd gladly take that offensive production over what we had last year. They're not as bad of a running team as many think and I'd expect their production to become a little more balanced this year.



New Breed of Running Back to Headline Miami Ground Game in 2005

Miami running backs in recent years have been characterized as dependable, grind-it-out backs whose ground production was utilized to set up play-action in the passing game. While new running backs coach DeAndre Smith has no issues with the positive production of the past several seasons in the Miami ground game, he is certainly not satisfied.

"We want to get more and more production from our backs, and I think the guys we have here give us that ability," notes Smith. "We want our running game to be more explosive and these guys are hungry and ready to work."

Coach Smith's goal is to improve Miami's yards per carry for the team to over four and half yards, and although two key contributors have been lost to graduation, a group of talented and youthful reserves are ready for their time to perform.

Brandon Murphy, a speedy and explosive runner is the back with the most experience. By adding muscle and bulk, without sacrificing speed and quickness, Murphy showed flashes of brilliance in his 2004-05 campaign.

"Brandon is a player who gives us that big play ability, because he can bounce outside and break off a long run at any time," says Coach Smith. "He possesses great vision and quickness which allows him to see a crease and attack it."

Murphy enters the spring as Miami's starting tailback and already has shown flashes of his trademark explosiveness early in camp.

Three other players also look to take advantage of spring practice in improving and increasing their roles in the Miami running game.

Akim Lannaman has enjoyed a strong offseason and has dazzled the coaching staff with his strength and speed increases. A special teams contributor last season, Lannaman is using additional reps in the spring to help translate his physical abilities into success on the football field.





Austin Sykes is another player seeking to make an impact this spring. Sykes looks to bounce back from an injury-plagued career thus far, and has demonstrated a powerful running style when healthy. After a season on the scout team, redshirt freshman Jimmy Calhoun, who demonstrated great speed and vision as a true freshman, also aims to impress the coaching staff with a strong spring.

This new stable of Miami running backs looks to be much speedier than their predecessors, which could to add a whole new facet to the RedHawk offensive attack.

"This is a young group that has plenty to work on, but we think the future is bright," noted Coach Smith.

Pass protection is crucial to the offensive scheme and Coach Smith sees this as a definite area for improvement. Another area of focus is catching the ball out of the backfield. This improvement could offer another option for QB Josh Betts when he drops back, as a running back can be leaked out and often create big plays with yardage after the catch.
 
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coxew said:
I'd gladly take that offensive production over what we had last year. They're not as bad of a running team as many think and I'd expect their production to become a little more balanced this year.


How did they do against the 2 BCS teams they played? IIRC they averaged like 35 points a game vs MAC teams then came light years short of that against a bad scUM defense and Iowa 'friggin State.

None of the instate schools will ever beat OSU at home without a TON of help from OSU. They may have a few guys who are OSU caliber players but they dont have 22 of them on each side of the ball, depth of talent is where the big time schools have the edge on the MAC schools.

If we play well its a 14+ point win, if we turn it over and get tons of penalties we will keep almost ANY team in the game.
 
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I agree. We should easily handle them but shouldn't discount their abilities, or any other team for that matter. We have way too much depth and team speed but that was also the case against Northwestern last year and San Diego State the year before.
 
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I for one will take what Thackattack said over any body.... very good sources and stats, and he's right. With OSU's talent and depth this SHOULD be a win by atleast 10 points. For sure crazier things have happened,but I for one will be hoping for a huge win.


On he other hand if this game is close win maybe, just maybe, Texas will be alittle over confident thinking "well if Miami, Oh can hang with them we can beat them".
For sure if we have to rely on us playing Miami close to get Texas alittle over confident then go ahead and cancel the season.
 
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