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Game Thread Game One: Ohio State 38, Youngstown St. 6 (final)

Discussion in '2007 Football Season Capsule' started by BB73, Apr 6, 2007.

  1. MililaniBuckeye

    MililaniBuckeye The satanic soulless freight train that is Ohio St Staff Member Tech Admin

    1. IIRC, Auburn's playing The Citadel was either before, or just when, everyone was allowed a 12th game and games against I-AA teams would count. The "stigma" of playing a I-AA team was greatly lessened.

    2. What does Washington's demise have to do with playing YSU? Zero.

    If you want to point out other OOC teams being on the schedule as an "offset" for playing a I-AA team, take a look at our OOC schedule over the next decade (USC, Miami (Fl), Cal, VaTech, Oklahoma). No one can reasonably argue that our reason for playing YSU is to have a cremepuff on our schedule to avoid a potential loss to another I-A team.
     
  2. jwinslow

    jwinslow A MAN OF BETRAYED JUSTICE Staff Member Tourney Pick'em Champ

    Hardly. Washington's demise means our OOC schedule is now very weak. If Washington were still a contender, it would compensate for any perceived cupcakes on our schedule, such as YSU.
    That's not what I'm saying. My argument is that most years no one would make a stink about a I-AA team when we're playing NC contenders also.
    Even if they agree that our mediocre '07 OOC schedule was unintentional, it still is mediocre.
     
  3. OSU_Buckguy

    OSU_Buckguy Senior

    with osu and tsun's debacles in the bcs games last year and with the mediocre-to-poor ooc games this year, i think the only way that the big ten gets much credit this year is if they win their bowl games. there is not a single ooc game against a bona fide national contender (for any big ten team). this would not normally be an issue.

    the problem is that the leaders of the big ten had their asses handed to them in january. by extension, the big ten will be considered suspect until it proves itself in the bcs and other bowl games against solid competition. ironically, the bucks and the skunkbears, the very teams that have made the conference respectable, have forced the conference to earn respect.

    as osu and tsun go, so does the big ten.
     
  4. LightningRod

    LightningRod Senior

    Don't let it get you down Kippy. The only man whose opinion counts on this matter is Tressel, and he is not overly concerned about what others think. YSU will have 3 nice paydays against the Buckeyes plus another at PSU, Pitt and Nebraska. Go Guins and Go Buckeyes.
     
  5. MililaniBuckeye

    MililaniBuckeye The satanic soulless freight train that is Ohio St Staff Member Tech Admin

    Key word is "now". UW's "demise" is beyond our control, and thus is irrelevent. We can only do so much in the way of scheduling.

    Since when has UW been a national title contender? And what happens if Miami (Fl) sucks in four or five years when we play them?

    Tressel's goal is to be able to compete for a national title every year...you think he'd schedule a I-AA team--YSU or not--if he felt doing so would jeopardize our chances?

    It would still be mediocre with an in-state team other than YSU.
     
  6. OSUBuckeye4Life

    OSUBuckeye4Life "THE" Ohio State Buckeyes

    Beyond our control doesn't equate to irrelevent. You've been around long enough to see how the polls work. Playing a I-AA team has the POTENTIAL to be very relevent. It also has the potential to be irrelevent, depending on how the season plays out.

    I'm sure he was referencing the future years, not the one we are in. What I got from that was playing a I-AA team doesn't seem as much of a deal when you have a NC contender on the schedule. Thus, this year having a I-AA team AND no NC contender in the OOC hurts us even more.

    How much do you think Tressel plans on 3 teams going undefeated and it coming down to a "resume" to go? I'm sure he's sitting back thinking if they go undefeated we are in the NC. Others, on this site specifically, are talking about the chances being diminished if we are in said scenerio (more than 2 undefeated teams with us being one of them.)


    ....true. Again, the perception is what is being discussed. Someone who isn't as familiar with the OSU schedule, or Youngstown St. will just look at the fact that it was a I-AA team instead of a Division I team. Thus the original point.
     
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  7. bkochmc

    bkochmc Senior

    Mili - I understand YSU is not "just another I-AA team" and you are quite correct they SHOULD be viewed on the same level as most MAC teams as they would definitely hold their own in that conference. With that said, unfortunately many people across the country not familiar with the YSU program will see Ohio State playing a "I-AA" team and like it or not that perception can possibly hurt Ohio State in a very close BCS race.

    Also, I don't agree with the Florida argument... While the race for the second spot has been discussed many times, there were multiple factors in Florida making the title game... USC losing to UCLA in their season finale, "no rematch" against scUM, and Florida winning the SEC title game which neither scUM nor USC had a chance to do. In any case, this isn't the thread for that argument (and doesn't matter anyways since they cleaned our clock and deserved the NC).

    I do understand the point you and kippy make and there are many Buckeye fans that agree with your point (myself included). The problem lies with perception outside of Buckeye Nation which includes media and coaches who have a say in the fate of polls and bowls.
     
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  8. Zurp

    Zurp I have misplaced my pants.

    To hell with what the rest of the country thinks!
     
  9. MililaniBuckeye

    MililaniBuckeye The satanic soulless freight train that is Ohio St Staff Member Tech Admin

    I'm tired of referencing all the naysayers specifically, so I'll just reply to all you Rainman individuals ("Yeah...can't, can't play I-AA teams. Yeah..."), and say this one more time...playing YSU will not, in any way, affect our chances for playing in the title game one iota. Not one single relevent pollster will hold our playing YSU against us, seeing as so many other big teams play I-AA teams for their 12th game.

    Live in the now, people...
     
  10. OSUBuckeye4Life

    OSUBuckeye4Life "THE" Ohio State Buckeyes

    So if 3 teams, including Ohio State, go undefeated and we are the only school to play a I-AA team it will be irrelevent?

    Yeah, okay. :roll2:

    Also, I would imagine there are quite a few "pollsters" who aren't the most educated in all areas of college football.

    People are just brining up a "what if" scenerio that COULD be relevent. COULD be, no matter how much you vehemently disagree.
     
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  11. OSU_Buckguy

    OSU_Buckguy Senior

    if ohio state and two other reputable programs happen to go undefeated next year, ohio state will likely be on the outside looking in... and it won't be because of a game against a 1-aa school. what would hurt the most would be the shellacking on 1/8. the human polls won't be giving the benefit of the doubt to the buckeyes and the skunkbears next year. then again, many of the preseason polls have tsun rated near the top.
     
  12. jwinslow

    jwinslow A MAN OF BETRAYED JUSTICE Staff Member Tourney Pick'em Champ

    This is the case with many but not all schools. CFN's top-2 '07 teams USC, LSU* do not (I don't care to dig deeper).

    * - You can certainly argue that LSU plays YSU-level opponents. But for the casual (read: lazy) voter, I could see them being hung up on the I-AA thing.
    Very true. One could also argue flip that argument around as well. With the widespread disdain of the b10 after the rose/fiesta, and the possible slow start with so many new QBs in the conference, the disrespect could continue. The b10 won't carry OSU as far in the polls, making a perceived chink in the armor (of our schedule), like a I-AA opp, more of an issue.
     
  13. BuckeyeNation27

    BuckeyeNation27 Goal Goal USA! Staff Member

    what if I just don't want OSU to play YSU because I want them to be tested and learn from playing a real team?
     
  14. MililaniBuckeye

    MililaniBuckeye The satanic soulless freight train that is Ohio St Staff Member Tech Admin

    No they aren't just bringing up a "could be" scenario. Check these posts from this very thread:

    Smooth Olaf

    ScriptOhio

    tibor75

    UpNorthBuckeye

    These folks automatically think that playing a I-AA team for the 12th game significantly hurts our standing...there's no "could" in their statements.
     
  15. OSU_Buckguy

    OSU_Buckguy Senior

    [off-topic]all i know is that if ohio states does play in the national championship game next year, they better play damn well and (probably) win.[/off-topic]
     

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