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Game Thread Game Two: Texas 25, Ohio State 22 (final)

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ArtilleryBuck said:
Please tell me I am misunderstanding you. Are you seriously wondering if the Bucks should have Ginn shadow Young???? Hell, while we are at it, let's use him as our long-snapper and throw him in the middle on our goal-line D. I have much respect for what Vince Young did to scUM in the Rose Bowl. However, with our corps of linebackers, I don't see him having that kind of success against the Bucks.
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I think Michigan is really not getting it. They are not recruiting for big speed like OSU, Iowa, and now penn state all are...

Its no longer a power conference only. Tressel was one of the trend starters to bring in big speed at certain positions and just plain speed at most of the skill positions. When you have linebackers that are as fast as hawk and carpenter its just almost not fair to the other team. I think Tressel doesn't get the hype cooper did as a recruiter but certainly brings in more talent, IMO.
 
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Here's what we have to look at..... Texas will be very good upfront, and as we all know Vince will be the Horse that will get them the Victory if indeed they do win. They dont' have a very potent running back so this makes it alot easier on our defense to just pretty much spy Vince and force them into the same type of game plan that we usually see. That is the short passes/screens/QB draws, and since they won't be nearly as good at it as Northwestern and Nc State I don't really see them pushing this into the 4th quarter. I honestly see Texas trying to do something that they're not against our defense because we'll have an answer and then some for Vince Young. I think our best bet for a spy would be either of our 4 linebackers. Just expect to see our secondary give them the infront stuff because we all know Vince isn't as accurate as most qb's we face.

When we're on offense look for something like what we did in the Alamo Bowl. Alot of big plays often, and then us just grinding on them as the game goes on. I think Gonzo will be huge in this game because in the latter part of the season I think people ignored Gonzo because of the sudden game breaking ability of Ginn/Holmes on the same field at the same time. I think Texas will put too much into stopping Ted Ginn and Holmes/Gonzo will have huge games. I also would like to think that Haw or Wells makes an impact in the game as well.
 
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bukIpower said:
They dont' have a very potent running back so this makes it alot easier on our defense to just pretty much spy Vince and force them into the same type of game plan that we usually see........ I also would like to think that Haw or Wells makes an impact in the game as well.
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Just to play devil's advocate here, it is safe for us to assume our unproven, young running backs will make an impact while their unproven, young running backs will not...correct?

Focusing our entire defensive effort on Vince Young will allow someone else on that unit to have a solid day. Donovan Woods is not in the same talent galaxy as Vince Young and he still put up respectable numbers in the Alamo Bowl. However, he made some poor decisions in the face of pressure and gave the game away early. I don't see Young doing that. I see him stretching the defense with his legs on rollouts, draws, and broken plays while opening up misdirection, allowing the possibility for broken coverage by scrambling out of the pocket, and making at least one big play.

Defeating Texas is not as Simple as putting a spy on a player like Vince Young.

--IMO, look for a huge rotation on the DL in that game to keep fresh legs on board.

--There are two general approaches...
Stunt like crazy on the DL and effectively cut the field in half for VY then trust our closing speed on the second level to handle him in the open field
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Play the trenches as basically as possible to keep VY in a designed pocket knowing that we are strong in the middle and quick on the pursuit.

Until Young proves he can hurt us deep, stay in an aggressive Cover 2 and allow the CBs to give strong run support on the edges and with contain on the option.

Just some early basic thoughts, but we should all know more about their new personnel by 9/10
 
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Do not fear.

Guys, guys, guys!

#1 - The Big 12 is a very overrated conference. They have terrible bowl records in the last 5 years across the board. Their inter-conference competition in the minds of Big 12 fans is second to none. We all know this is incredibly misguided. Their level of play in the Alamo? They looked a tad shell-shocked. Need I mention UT - Texas A&M and of course big tough Bobby Stoops making excuses down in Miami. Texas Tech was the lone bright spot.
#2 - Oklahoma is Texas' big game. I live down here and all the UT fans are talking about is how they can catch Chokelahoma on a down year. (They are truly looking past us.)
#3 - Vince Young is a tool. Michigan gave up in the Rose. It was a defensive pillow fight. Whoever had the ball last was going to win. Vince Young will never win the big game for Texas.
#4 - Mack Brown is the John Cooper of the Big 12. Undisputable.
#5 - Texas just sucks. Period. Their logo looks like a uterus.

Cajunbuck predicts a total shutdown / beatdown of the Longhorns in September. I will put every vbuck I have on it. Total line domination, skill position thrashing, quarterback clinic monster of an ass-whoopin. We are going to the Rose bowl next year! I truly feel that way deep down. We are gonna win another title next year.

Who is with me?
 
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I think we will take the same approach with VY as we did with Darren Sproles and Ell Roberson in the Fiesta Bowl.

Remember - these two were as quick as lighting and chewed up a dominant OU defense in the Big 12 title game.

I see Snyder using:

1 - a controlled rush to keep the action in front of the players

2 - a strong emphasis on backside pursuit once the point of attack is contained.

3 - plenty of zone coverage; we want to make sure our DB's are not running with their backs turned if VY breaks loose

4 - relatively few and situational blitz packages
 
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Our Defense Will Be Scary!!!

I don't think our defense will be of any concern.

The real issue that needs to be addressed going forward is developing a consistent and productive offense.

Warning: Past data may or may not have any predictive power upon the future.

1st Downs: 105th out of 117; 11th out of 11 in the Big Ten

Points / Game: 113th out of 117; 11th out of 11 in the Big Ten

3rd Down Conversion Rate: 74th out of 117; 10th out of 11 in the Big Ten

-HitMan
 
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I think that we need to make Young beat us through the air to win the game. He still hasn't proven to me that he can win games with his arm, but damn, he sure has a nice set of wheels.

Sit back and make him beat you throwing, against a very good linebacker corp. and secondary. I think our front 4 will be able to get marginal pressure against Young, so there will be less need to blitz. But then again, it would be nice to rattle him early.

If we stop Young, we win the game. OSU is almost always money playing in the Shoe.
 
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ZachDumas said:
I don't think our defense will be of any concern.

The real issue that needs to be addressed going forward is developing a consistent and productive offense.

Warning: Past data may or may not have any predictive power upon the future.

1st Downs: 105th out of 117; 11th out of 11 in the Big Ten

Points / Game: 113th out of 117; 11th out of 11 in the Big Ten

3rd Down Conversion Rate: 74th out of 117; 10th out of 11 in the Big Ten

-HitMan
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Did you even watch the last two games of last season?
 
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Cajunbuck said:
Guys, guys, guys!

#1 - The Big 12 is a very overrated conference. They have terrible bowl records in the last 5 years across the board. Their inter-conference competition in the minds of Big 12 fans is second to none. We all know this is incredibly misguided.
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Don't sell this game short; this is one of the best non-bowl inter-conference matchups in recent memory. Granted, if you limit Vince Young's opportunities to scramble and run the ball, you've given yourself a leg up, but the bottom line is that Texas is one of a handful of programs in the country that can matchup up with OSU athletically, position-by-position, depth-wise, and year-in and year-out. There is NO WAY that Texas overlooks this game; who cares what a handful of fans on a Texas website say, this is a HUGE interconference matchup. One thing I think Tressel's good at is getting his team ready for big games, and he'll need to do it in game two next year, because that is a big game against a big-time opponent.

In response to your quote above, I personally agree that the BigXII is overrated, but that's because they've got too many weak teams. The teams at the top are quality.
 
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I think with Young the D-line needs to get good consistent pressure, with a nicely disguised blitz package (I think blitzes from outside of the line would be most effective), and make sure you always keep contain. You're not gonna rattle him mentally, but you got to make him have a long long day physcially. I'm not saying late hits, but you gotta put a hat on him whenever you get the chance. If Bobby Carpenter (At 262?!?!?!) can get ahold of him a couple times that would help.

Without a known power back, Texas is going to try and work the edges. The key in my mind, then, comes down to LB play. OSU's LB's are clearly the strength of this D. I like the way this one matches up, and if I was a Texas fan I'd really be worried. (Actually, I'd have my head so far up my ass, I wouldn't realize Texas had any weakness whatever).

DB's should be able to handle Texas' wideouts with relative ease. I can't think of any studs they have at WR. Do they? Who? Seriously, I don't know.
 
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I don't think we need to worry about VY as much as people think...the only time last year I saw anything impressive out of him was the Michigan game (granted, I don't exactly follow Texas)...the boy can't throw the ball, and he won't be able to get outside consistently on our LBs
 
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