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Garcia In - Couch Out?

Discussion in 'Professional Football' started by BuckBackHome, Mar 9, 2004.

  1. BuckBackHome

    BuckBackHome Wolverine is largest member of weasel family

    It sounds official that Jeff Garcia has signed a 4 year, $25 million contract with the Browns. The Tim Couch is all but officially over. Will the new leadership behind center with the Browns make any significant difference?
     
  2. LoKyBuckeye

    LoKyBuckeye I give up. This board is too hard to understand. Staff Member

    It doesn't matter who is throwing the ball if you don't have an offensive line. Couch got beat up too much in the first few years..... he needed more protection than he got. Whoever comes in I just hope they can win....
     
  3. buckeyebri

    buckeyebri Embrace the Hate

    All sorts of threads on this on Bernies. I guess we won't really know whether this was a good move or a bad move for awhile.

    I do agree that Couch took a tremendous amount of abuse due to the lack of a quality line to throw behind. He also took the brunt of having to grow up in a hurry with an expansion team.

    At least it isn't like that infamous day when Belichump cut Bernie in favor of Testaverde and ripped my heart out!!
     
  4. Nixon

    Nixon Wears Scarlet-colored glasses

    I think I'm rooting for the Bengals next year. I'm sick of Butch Davis and his idiot moves.

    Jeff Garcia is a nice QB, but he is 34 years old and has had injury problems, not to mention a DUI a couple months ago. Jeff Garcia is not going to be a long term fit in Cleveland and I still believe that Couch will be a good QB somewhere. The Browns are not going to win anything next year with or without Garcia. Davis sucks. After he picks KWII in the draft, that'll really be the last straw.
     
  5. BuckBackHome

    BuckBackHome Wolverine is largest member of weasel family

    I actually don't think it is a bad move. I think Tim can be an effective QB, but he needs a fresh start somewhere else. Never having the supporting cast in Cleveland, too many changes with offensive coaching, and the flip-flopping of QB's last year was ridiculous.

    Garcia brings a new face, although with an old arm and legs, and is supposed to be more of a team leader than Tim, but only the team really knows if that is true.

    It certainly could have been handled better by the front office, but I think the move will be good in the long run. Garcia is not the long term answer, but is a better fit right now. I just think Tim's confidence had been beaten down so much by the staff he needs someplace completely new to find his old self. I just hope they can get a decent draft pick for him. Maybe enough to jump up and grab Rivers if he is there in Rd. 2.

    Now, if Butch picks KW jr, I too will be pissed. That would be the worst thing for the chemistry of the Browns. How long before you think KW sr. would want to be a special offensive consultant to the Browns just so he could coach his son?
     
  6. RAMdrvr1

    RAMdrvr1 All Galaxy '14 NCAA Pick'em Champ

    I never thought that you and I would EVER be in perfect agreement, but that day has come. Tim will be a good QB somewhere else (Dallas?), Davis will leave Cleveland after this year with the Browns in last place in the weakest division in football, CP will find another organization to destroy, and life will go on (sorry as it is) in Cleveland.
     
  7. Nixon

    Nixon Wears Scarlet-colored glasses

    Yeah, when I was watching Quincy Carter bumble around in the playoff game last year, I said "If they had Tim Couch, they'd go the Super Bowl". Tim Couch, even right now, is a steady QB who does not make that many mistakes(especially compared to a guy like Carter). Couch would be a nice fit in Dallas.
     
  8. RAMdrvr1

    RAMdrvr1 All Galaxy '14 NCAA Pick'em Champ

    Two for two. Should we quit while we're ahead :biggrin: ?
     
  9. LoKyBuckeye

    LoKyBuckeye I give up. This board is too hard to understand. Staff Member

    I got to meet Tim Couch a few years ago and talk to him for about 10-15 minutes. I also know a guy who is from the same hometown as Tim in KY and he talks very highly of him. He is a great guy and I will root for him no matter where he goes.... maybe he'll end up with a Super Bowl ring like Bernie! He NEVER deserved the abuse given to him by the Cleveland fans.

    I was back in Cleveland for last years home opener agains the Colts and for the first time I was ashamed to be a Browns fans. I used to think Cleveland fans got a bad rap around the country but everything they say is true. I know there are some great fans out there but I would never take my kids to a game in Cleveland. Who would ever want to play there when the fans boo you all the time and cheer for you when your hurt.

    I was born and raised a Browns fan and I will continue follow the team but my number 1 team is now the Packers.... you just can't beat the atmospehere at Lambeau.

    (gets down off soapbox :biggrin: )
     
  10. Nixon

    Nixon Wears Scarlet-colored glasses

    No. Now we should talk politics :)
     
  11. coastalbuck

    coastalbuck And this one belongs to the Reds! Staff Member

    Packers fan here too. What a great sports franchise! Cleveland, on the other hand, sucks!!!!!!!!!
     
  12. jlb1705

    jlb1705 hipster doofus Staff Member Bookie

    I've started to move toward following the Colts myself. The way I see it, they are at least two steps ahead of the Browns.

    1.) They had the wisdom to draft Mike Doss.
    2.) They had the wisdom to realize the Kelly Holcomb is not and NFL starting QB.
     
  13. RAMdrvr1

    RAMdrvr1 All Galaxy '14 NCAA Pick'em Champ

    I would, but being a Democrat, I get too angry just thinking about our policy in Iraq, our foreign policy as a whole, and of all the personal freedoms we seem to be losing every day.

    So let's just stick to sports :cheers: .
     
  14. BuckBackHome

    BuckBackHome Wolverine is largest member of weasel family

    Still a Browns fan and always a Browns fan. I will just be really po'd if they select jr.

    Now we just need to get a good draft pick when Couch is traded. Rumors are everywhere that Dallas, Miami, Pittsburgh and Chicago are interested. It will shake out in the next month. Still hope he goes somewhere where he can do well.
     
  15. buckeyebri

    buckeyebri Embrace the Hate

    At least the Browns didn't pickup Mike McMahon from the Lions. When I read they were intereste in him I thought Butch had lost his mind....
     

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