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Gene Smith (AD The Ohio State, '10 AD of the Year, '13 NAAC Organizational Leadership Award)

Discussion in 'Buckeye Football' started by BuckeyeBK, Mar 3, 2005.

  1. jwinslow

    jwinslow A MAN OF BETRAYED JUSTICE Staff Member Tourney Pick'em Champ

    Plus they lose. A LOT.
  2. maximumblitz

    maximumblitz Buckeye Samurai of Big League Blitzkreig

    Is there anyone who does not agree that Gene was out negotiated?

    If he was left high and dry, then he did not ask for enough in cancellation fees in the original negotiation.

    I cannot remember the payday for home games, but I suspect it is over $4 million, even $8 million when you divide it by two for home/home (requires two years).

    I suspect that the negative impact that a loss would have on recruiting multiplied by the greater chance of losing because it is on the road outweighs $4 million.

    What Gene has demonstrated is that Texans can push around Ohio residents.
  3. BayBuck

    BayBuck Buckeyes are best

    I don't know the numbers for a home game, but we got $400K to play at Oklahoma, compared to $5M to play at Jerry World. This is a nice payday for a "road" game.
  4. kujirakira

    kujirakira Senior

    But not quite the same as a home-and-away.
    If we had 8 conference games, it'd be an easier sell imo. So we can do this in 5 conf home years like this... but it puts us in the hole on those 5 away years. And we're already seeing that in 19 with no big name opponent cuz we need all 3 OOC to be home. 9 games with 5 away, a "neutral" game cuz everyone is scared to play in Big country* ... leaves just 6 home games and 2 of those will be MAC etc cupcakes.

    *and i dont even know why, we usually win the away and lose the home this century :smash:
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  5. sparcboxbuck

    sparcboxbuck What happened to my ¤cash?

    Well, this bodes well for those who are not fans of Gene:

    ...AD Gene Smith had practice of deleting texts, in possible violation of state law."
  6. Buckeyeskickbuttocks

    Buckeyeskickbuttocks Z --> Z^2 + c Staff Member

    Much ado about nothing. The mere fact that these guys have phones paid for by the University (ie, thus "public") does not render their contents public records. And, to the extent that any contents ARE public records (and surely, some of the contents are public records) they are governed by retention schedules. If Gene, Urban, or anyone else, deletes a text that is over a year old - and quite possibly sooner - there is NO public records violation, nor is OSU obligated to go trying to recover them.
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  7. Steve19

    Steve19 Watching. Always watching. Staff Member

    Foxtrot Tango Alpha. They are really grasping at straws in an attempt to create a story. SAD!
  8. sparcboxbuck

    sparcboxbuck What happened to my ¤cash?

    I'm not sure this is correct. I do think that text messages exchanged on government provided devices is a matter of public record and does fall under retention policies similar to other forms of electronic communications.

    I'd be happy to be wrong, but I don't think I am.
  9. Buckeyeskickbuttocks

    Buckeyeskickbuttocks Z --> Z^2 + c Staff Member

    I am not guessing when I wrote what I wrote.

    To be sure, there are texts which would indeed be public records. My statement was that the texts being on a public phone, by itself, is not what renders the record a public record. It is the substance of the record which renders it a public matter or not. To illustrate, if I am using my government phone to text a colleague our trial preparation strategy in our upcoming trial, it is NOT a public record. See, R.C. 149.43(A)(1)(g)

    Now, as I said, there are, no doubt, public records on those phones. And.. they are subject to the appropriate retention policy. The policy I found has a general rule of keeping those texts for a year. However, it is the content of the records, not the medium upon which they are found or created, which determines how long a record must kept. Consequently, there are very likely texts on those phones which need not be kept 1 year.

    While I admit I was blocked from reading the WSJ article, it is my assumption that they got the law wrong.. because... well... it seems like they (not the WSJ specifically, I mean journalists generally) pretty much always do when it comes to specific areas of the law.. especially where those specific areas are governed by state law of a state in which they do not, themselves, live.
    Last edited: Sep 19, 2018
  10. BUCK3YE5

    BUCK3YE5 Champion

    With this development, the lack of media/twitter outrage regarding Gene proves what this whole story was really all about...
  11. sparcboxbuck

    sparcboxbuck What happened to my ¤cash?

  12. Steve19

    Steve19 Watching. Always watching. Staff Member

    Perhaps I am mistaken, but I think Urban Meyer said that he never touched his phone and that it was setup from purchase to delete emails after a year. Not so?
  13. BB73

    BB73 Loves Buckeye History Staff Member Bookie '16 & '17 Upset Contest Winner

    He touches his phone all the time.

    He said he's never deleted any text messages, and said that "IT" changed the settings a few months ago to only retain 12 months because his frequent contacts with recruits, including video, were filling it up.

    Assuming that's true, the report really did him a disservice on this topic, since it mentioned a conversation he had with Brian Voltolini on August 1st, a few days after a FOIA request had been made but prior to his phone being turned in. That conversation supposedly included the topic of how to retain only 12 months of messages, making it look like they may well have changed the settings after the B1G media days firestorm.
  14. MaxBuck

    MaxBuck 2014 National Champions!

    I struggle to understand how erasing messages in complete compliance with an established records retention policy can conceivably be "in violation of open records laws."
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  15. dragurd

    dragurd Senior

    If I'm reading that right it's not. It's Gene's phone had absolutely 0 texts on it. Implying he deleted everything which could be against records laws
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