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Half Truths and Hearsay- What's real and What's not..

Discussion in 'ESPN's 04-05 war against tOSU and Tressel' started by AKAK, Nov 12, 2004.

  1. AKAK

    AKAK If you hear the siren its already too late Staff Member

    Allright- Its Friday. I'm really starting to get a more than a little annoyed with this Tom Friend Crap, so I'd like to get a start on refuting the more 'important' points in the article. Of course this is from my perspective, but there's been a lot of Information out there so any help you can give me would be appreciated.

    Let's start with the Friend article itself, and if I'm missing any of the bigger points, let me know your thoughts on that too.

    Link to the Article: http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=1919246


    On Academics:

    Do we have a name for this Professor? Do we know what classes these were for?

    Is this cheating? Anyone ever use an old test to study for a class. I was in a fraternity, and we had filing cabinets full of old tests. For large Math Classes and anything thats a Freshman levle course with hundreds of people, there were only a couple tests you need to study if you have access to them. Again can Maurice tell us what classes these were for?

    Doesn't independant study mean independant study? If he worked for the last two weeks and got a C or a D, well, that's pretty doable.

    Does anyone remember Sport for the Spectator? Did the 10 kids that weren't football players in the class fail? Its my understanding that as long as those students were held to the same standards then nothing here is against the rules. Also, note that Clarret admitted to cheating, and that he implicates no one else in his attempts to cheat.

    Notice the lack of quotations around the phrase to keep him eligible. This is added by the author.

    Also, not the use of the phrase :'How can I survive, how can I get a good grade on a test,'

    Can anyone tell me who didn't use this philosphy in most any class that they found the subject material to be less than interesting?

    Illegal Benefits Part One: The Staff

    Before we get directly to the allegations, consider the following: as Tom Friend makes the assertion, "Clarett wasn't naïve. He had suspected before he arrived in Columbus that he'd have privileges"

    If you replace the word "suspected" to "expected" then he was naive, and you can imagine that his initial reaction to everything that he was introduced to woudl amount to a handout....

    ...and we move forward.


    "There were no unoccupied dorm rooms that day"

    ????

    I'm a little confused. Maurice came to move into the dorms, but there were no dorm rooms? "Sorry Maurice, You'll have to wait until tomorrow. No Vacancy. What if Maurice came a day early, could the athletic department put him in a room for a night? Would it be that bad if they did? I don't know the answer.



    Well- Mo Says one thing-

    M/I Homes says something else:

    http://www.dispatch.com/football/football.php?story=dispatch/2004/11/12/20041112-D1-04.html&chck=t

    Maybe Dick Tressel did point him toward a job, but Maybe Mo didn't understand he'd actually have to show up.

    [I know there are more links refuting this story, so if you guys can help me out, I'll put them in]


    Illegal Benefits Part II: Boosters

    Did Mo actaully show up to any of these people? Who set him straight? Did Mo Understand that sometimes that saying hello to a person might mean that they's be glad to meet him?

    Any link to denials by Players would be helpful for this. (Other than Robert Smith)

    Ahhh- Good old Mr Such and Such. I don't even know what to say about this, but Why didn't Maurice save some of his 'thousands' in case he needed an airplane ticket.

    This is the one thing that might no t suprise me, sports hangers on abound, HOWEVER, there is no direct implication to the coaches, and even if there is, like the cheating, Clarret's arrogance and sense of self entitlement cause HIM to violate the rules. Do you think the idea of not taking money from someone ever crossed his mind? (Which we know he did, Bob Dullimuti?)

    And if 175 v Texas Tech got him thousands... what about the 230 he put on Washinton State... should have been enough to buy a car... I guess it wasn't, as we move to:

    Illegal Benefits Part III: Coach Tressel and Free Cars U

    No doubt this actaully happened. The part that was left out, of course, is the fact that Maurice actually was supposed to PAY (what? crazy talk! Not Me, Maurice!) for this car. Didn't show up to do so. Car went home to McDaniels. They can explain it better than I can.

    http://www.cleveland.com/sports/plaindealer/index.ssf?/base/sports/1100169146227680.xml

    You know- I always turn in my Lexus 430 before I'm going to break into a Monte Carlo and file a false police report. Wouldn't want my favortie car to get dinged.



    As for the rest, we assume that the NCAA wasn't out to get him too, or that the prosecutors office didn't press cahrges n the false police report... but the odd thing is that Maurice feels like Ohio Stae Chewed him up and spit him out. ESPN is doing the same thing, and if he gets to play, so will the NFL.

    Anyway, I'm going to keep looking for the links to support the section of this post, if anyone has some, go ahead and post them here and I'll update them, or if anyone wants to refute the 'side stories' like those on Marco Cooper, Sammy, misquoting Ropbert Smith, etc... that's cool too.
     
  2. osugrad21

    osugrad21 Capo Regime Staff Member

    Nice job bro...
     
  3. BuckeyeNation27

    BuckeyeNation27 Goal Goal USA! Staff Member

    the thing im wondering is all this bullshit about academics. i dont know anything about how ohio state operates, but i know how bloomsburg operates. every student tells every other student what the easy classes are, who the easy teachers are, what the tests are like.

    the nice professors are the ones who help you out in the class. my comp 2 professor pretty much helped me write all of my assignments. why? because i went to her office hours and told her i was having trouble. so she helped. guess what, i didnt play any sports. should the NCAA strip my diploma?

    i seriously dont understand the problem. at bloomsburg the football players schedule before the honor students and seniors. you dont think thats preferential treatment? i dont even see anything wrong with it. they have to schedule around their practice times.

    people want so bad for Ohio State to be dirty that they will trump up all of these accusations as if it were a murder charge.

    who here didnt seek out the easy classes/professors? who here didnt ask their friends who took the class the semester before what the tests were? what the fuck is the big god damn deal?

    all the other shit has been investigated and proven false, so im not sweating that. im just wondering where the crime is in a student taking easy classes.
     
  4. HineyBuck

    HineyBuck Old newb

    A couple of points, some not so important, others may be:

    1) a tutor is not a professor, as asserted by MoC. No big deal, but indicates how tuned in (or untuned in) he was to his studies.

    2) it has been established as a fact, by Geiger, that MoC had one, and only one, independent study.

    3) the university where I work routinely overbooks dormitory rooms. Then, puts the overflow students up in hotels until things get straightened out. I suspect this is common practice at many universities.

    4) what interest would MoC have in protecting the names of the boosters who lined his pockets (Mr. Such & Such)? If he's claiming Tressel bailed out on him, certainly the boosters did, too. In short, he's got no reason to want to protect them. Ah, but that is a hidden aspect of what all this is about. Tressel has been cutting off access by the high-rollers to his players and they don't like it one bit. They see it as his "holier than thou" view of college football, and they want their franchise back. That's part of what is behind this smear campaign. If there is one legitimate problem this whole sorry episode reveals, it is the problem of this kind of boosterism.
     
  5. ysubuck

    ysubuck Be water my friend.

    The fact that the NCAA investigated all of the academic goings on at OSU really isn't mentioned in the article.

    Friend got pissed when Damon Bruce, host of the Big Show, called him out yesterday. Friend was fumbling his words and sounding like a high school newspaper hack. Bruce finally called his article "sophomoric." Friend was extremely irritated. You know why he was irritated? Because he knows that this is probably what he is going to be remembered for: a shoddy piece of character assasination.

    I think Tom Friend has bitten off more than he can chew with this one. Now all of his journalist buddies are trying to help him out (Mandel, and that other asshole as ESPN).

    That reminds me. I have to cancel my subscription to Sports Illustrated.
     
  6. osugrad21

    osugrad21 Capo Regime Staff Member

  7. NoVABuck

    NoVABuck Newbie

    Anyone else think that maybe Clarett got money from Mr. Such and Such for performing sexual favors, and not his performance on the field? I think that's what he means when he says "he becomes your friend for awhile".

    Clarett is really just a whore.
     
  8. Good for you YSU. You probably know more about the YSU QB situation in JT's tenure in Youngstown. Is there something there that we're missing? Some undone business? This is one link that espn is alledging...that JT "did it" (whatever "it" is), at YSU and is "doing" the same thing at OSU.

    Man, I'll tell ya, I'm really steamed over this trash coverage by espn. They are worms for not presenting a whole, broad examination of the allegations. No interviews of all these mysterious enablers. Who is the prof? or aid more likely. Who is the booster? The guy from Youngstown? Someone new in Columbus?
    What courses is the liar talk'n about? Who, exactly did the liar work for as he claimed "working" was a sham. Did the liar declare his misbegotten gifts to IRS? Did espn ever talk to the YSU QB recently in view of these allegations?

    Their whole approach stinks to high heaven.
     
  9. Illegal Benefits Part III: Coach Tressel and Free Cars U
    Quote:
    Clarett lived 15 minutes from campus, so he also needed a car. He says he took that request right to the head coach. "My transmission blew in my car, a Cadillac. So I'm like, 'Coach Tressel, I can't get back and forth to campus.' This is probably after practice, 6 o'clock, 5 o'clock one night. He gets on the phone and says, this is where I get my car from. He called the man from McDaniel Automotive. He's like, 'I got a player here, Maurice Clarett. He needs a car. Do you have a car out there he can use?'


    "So the man gets on the phone with me and says, 'What kind of cars do you like?' I say, 'Got any trucks?' He says, 'Yeah, I got two trucks. I got an Expedition and I got a Tahoe here right now.' He's like, 'I'll be there tomorrow morning.' They drove down to give me the car."


    Clarett says he kept the Tahoe for 11 days, then switched to the Expedition. NCAA Rule 16.12.2.3 states that an institutional employee or representative of the institution's athletic interests is not allowed to provide a student athlete with the use of an automobile. According to Clarett, that is exactly what his head coach did. "This is what Jim Tressel arranged," Clarett says.

    No doubt this actaully happened. The part that was left out, of course, is the fact that Maurice actually was supposed to PAY (what? crazy talk! Not Me, Maurice!) for this car. Didn't show up to do so. Car went home to McDaniels. They can explain it better than I can.



    this car referenced was repoed for lack of payment, it was in the dispatch
     
  10. sandgk

    sandgk Watson, Crick & A Twist

    What's Really NEW?

    Need a really short thread?

    Hows about what was really new in Clarett's (or UNFriend's) laundry list of charges.

    NCAA ran through all the old stuff. tOSU -- Clean Bill of Health.

    Let me see - whats new here......
     
  11. Saw31

    Saw31 High Seas Rogue

    SanClem,

    Here's what bspn in refering to at YSU. Read Buckmark1's post. He found a great article that has a lot of information bspn conveniently left out of the Ray Isaac story.

    This Thread

    And read my post in this thread to answer some of your other Y-Town questions. I lived through all this Mickey Monus garbage up here. He is more of a disgrace than MoC, though the race is tightening.

    This Thread
     

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