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Hate more: ND or UM? (split from ND thread)

Discussion in 'College Football' started by buckiprof, May 12, 2006.

  1. greyscarlet

    greyscarlet Junior

    Team hated most: scum
    Fans hated most: domers
  2. cincibuck

    cincibuck You kids stay off my lawn!

    OK. Final exam time.

    1. State one way in which a Notre Dame victory over Michigan in any way, shape or form benefits Ohio State's football program. Be sure and include rankings, media coverage and bowl selections in your answer and indicate a knowledge of league prestiege and how wins and losses promote or demote a league and all the teams in a league.
  3. BB73

    BB73 Loves Buckeye History Staff Member Bookie '16 & '17 Upset Contest Winner

    Damn English teachers! Can't we have any multiple choice questions on this exam? I hate essay questions. :tongue2:
  4. I don't care about rankings/benefitting my team. I care about how much satisfaction I get from the Buckeyes beating them or how much I hate them losing to said team. Michigan takes the cake. Its not even close. If we lose to ND its like losing to Texas. (ok, maybe slightly worse b/c of the fans) I can't stand to lose to scUM.

    If we go undefeated I don't think it to often matters if ND beats scUM.
  5. TheMile

    TheMile The Enemy

    That's part of what makes college football great. I love watching the players touch the Go Blue banner at the start of each game just like I sneer at that "Play like a champion today" sign.

    (Or like the slightly irritated feeling I get every time I see t preceding OSU. :biggrin:)
  6. Besides that. Say OSU has ND on their schedule. If you had to lose to either team you would choose ND because its out of conference and we still beat scUM and win the conference and go to a BCS game.

    Rooting for B10 teams in non-conference games doesn't mean I don't hate those teams any less anyway.

    There is no correlation between benefits and hate factor. Even though Woody wouldn't play ND I doubt he hated them more than scUM. I doubt he rooted for scUM in any game.

    Only looking at the matchup between two possible opponets and how it benefits OSU is clearly shortsighted.

    In 02 a scUM loss at ND didn't seem to hurt the Buckeyes any. Even then if I concede that scUM win in that game benefits the OSU more that doesn't mean I have to like or that I have to hate ND more.
  7. BB73

    BB73 Loves Buckeye History Staff Member Bookie '16 & '17 Upset Contest Winner




  8. strohs

    strohs Go Bucks!

    Seriously cinci, how does that in any way have an effect on hatred of scUM?
    Obviously its better for Ohio State that scUM wins that game, but who cares?
    That has no bearing, no whatsoever on my much greater hatred toward scUM
  9. cincibuck

    cincibuck You kids stay off my lawn!

    But we DON"T have ND on our schedule. Now stop thinking with your hate muscle before you cramp up and flunk the final. If ND and OSU go undefeated I double guarantee you we will be ranked lower and be locked out of the NC. Jesus, how big a blockhead do you have to be to not get that simple fact of life?

    Right... you don't have to LOVE Michigan, you just have to understand that when they play Notre Dame they are our proxy in a fight, a fight Notre Dame refuses to take up with us.

    Oh... my... God. Woody was first and foremost a spokeman for Ohio State and the Big 10. He clearly understood SoS, rankings and bowl situations.

    No comment. Father forgive them for they know not what they say.

    Like, love or hate doesn't enter into it. It's what is best for Ohio State football.

    Now just answer the damn question: State one way in which a Notre Dame victory over Michigan in any way, shape or form benefits Ohio State's football program.

    As your responses indicate you can't do it. That's because there is no way in hell that a Notre Dame victory over Michigan helps anybody but Notre Dame... and you might want to think about this, Notre Dame was the only BCS participant last year who shared none of their winnings with another school. ie, they walked out of the Fiesta bowl with more money than we did despite getting their ass kicked in. The more Big 10 teams in a BCS bowl, the more money ALL Big 10 teams earn.
  10. So then what's your point? If I can still hate scUM more which I believe is the topic at hand and still root for them to beat ND because it benefits the Buckeye's more then you have no point considering the argument was about who we hated more, genious. I have already condeded that scUM wins over ND benefits us more. And since there really haven't been many times in the past that there have been 3 undefeated teams its still very unlikely that if OSU went undefeated it would be left out. Remember there has to be 2 more undeafeted teams for OSU to be left out. This year for instance we would get the nod over WVU because of the SOS. There probably won't be anyone from the SEC come out undefeated and we would be over any team from the ACC or OU(the only choice from the B12 that could go undefeated this year if the OSU did.)
  11. Uh starting this year I think Notre Dame only get the 3 million or so it will get every year from the BCS whether its in or not. I'm pretty sure the other conferences split the money.
  12. BB73

    BB73 Loves Buckeye History Staff Member Bookie '16 & '17 Upset Contest Winner

    Not accurate.

    Starting with the BCS Bowls after this season, ND will get $4.5 million from the BCS if they make it, about $1 million when they don't.

  13. cincibuck

    cincibuck You kids stay off my lawn!

    My point exactly! Notre Dame is guaranteed, we're not. Notre Dame does not share. ALL Big 10 teams split post season profits with ALL other Big 10 teams. That means that OSU got money from Wisconsin, Iowa, Penn State and MICHIGAN... and the higher those teams are ranked, and the more important their bowl game is the more money WE get. It's that simple.

    Now, how can anyone not see that Notre Dame is more equal then the other pigs on the farm? It would benefit Ohio State short term and long term to have Notre Dame lose several games, especially if they lost to Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State and Purdue. Everyone of those games that Notre Dame wins means more money to Notre Dame and Notre Dame alone and less money to Ohio State.
    Last edited: Jul 10, 2013
  14. I didn't have the exact numbers at hand. I should have looked them up. Its still the same point though.
  15. RB07OSU

    RB07OSU #7 aka Vick the human joystick Staff Member BP Recruiting Team

    For me it's not even close though. OSU vs. scUM is the biggest rivalry in college football and nothing makes my year more than beating scUM. If we lost to scUM last year and still played ND, I could have cared less if we beat them or not. All I can think of is Braylon Edwards, Desmond Howard, Biankabutuka, Charles Woodson, ect. and that is enough to make made blood boil.

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