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Hate more: ND or UM? (split from ND thread)

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t_BuckeyeScott said:
So then what's your point? If I can still hate scUM more which I believe is the topic at hand and still root for them to beat ND because it benefits the Buckeye's more then you have no point considering the argument was about who we hated more, genious. I have already condeded that scUM wins over ND benefits us more. And since there really haven't been many times in the past that there have been 3 undefeated teams its still very unlikely that if OSU went undefeated it would be left out. Remember there has to be 2 more undeafeted teams for OSU to be left out. This year for instance we would get the nod over WVU because of the SOS. There probably won't be anyone from the SEC come out undefeated and we would be over any team from the ACC or OU(the only choice from the B12 that could go undefeated this year if the OSU did.)
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There's also the possibility of a 1-loss team making the BCS Championship game. OSU's chances of being the top-rated 1-loss team are improved by Big Ten teams beating ND.

And SOS is still a factor because it's key to the computer rankings that now make up 1/3 of the BCS rankings.
 
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cincibuck said:
My point exactly! Notre Dame is guaranteed, we're not. Notre Dame does not share. ALL Big 10 teams split post season profits with ALL other Big 10 teams. That means that OSU got money from Wisconsin, Iowa, Penn State and MICHIGAN... and the higher those teams are ranked, and the more important their bowl game is the more money WE get. It's that simple.

Now, how can anyone not see that Notre Dame is more equal then the other pigs on the farm? It would benefit Ohio State short term and long term to have Notre Dame loose several games, especially if they lost to Michigan, Michigan State, Penn State and Purdue. Everyone of those games that Notre Dame wins means more money to Notre Dame and Notre Dame alone and less money to Ohio State.
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That doesn't change the fact that I would still hate scUM over ND. More equal? Does that even make since? Why should I have a problem with any institution doing what's best for that institution. If the Buckeyes could get that deal I would be all for it. Besides the cut that ND would recieve over the 10 year period could even be less than any conference team such as Indiana. And who thinks Indiana should get more money than ND. Not me.
 
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BB73 said:
There's also the possibility of a 1-loss team making the BCS Championship game. OSU's chances of being the top-rated 1-loss team are improved by Big Ten teams beating ND.

And SOS is still a factor because it's key to the computer rankings that now make up 1/3 of the BCS rankings.
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All very true. But I wouldn't be as mad if there were several 1 loss teams crying for one spot and tOSU didn't make it. While that is obviously the preffered team. If the Buckeyes didn't lose that 1 game there wouldn't be an argument. Basically after losing a game you lose your "right" to the title game.
 
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t_BuckeyeScott said:
That doesn't change the fact that I would still hate scUM over ND. More equal? Does that even make since? Why should I have a problem with any institution doing what's best for that institution. If the Buckeyes could get that deal I would be all for it. Besides the cut that ND would recieve over the 10 year period could even be less than any conference team such as Indiana. And who thinks Indiana should get more money than ND. Not me.
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What you are condemning was actually a clever and apt reference to George Orwell's "Animal Farm".

Now that I've raised my head in this thread I'll throw in my 2 cents.
I hate scUM more, but want them to win against ANY non-conference opponent.
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t_BuckeyeScott said:
More equal? Does that even make since? .
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"More equal" is a literary reference to Animal Farm. A book most of us read at some point in our education as it is a modern allagory about communism.
t_BuckeyeScott said:
Besides the cut that ND would recieve over the 10 year period could even be less than any conference team such as Indiana. And who thinks Indiana should get more money than ND. Not me.
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THINK
Here, take a pizza, lets imagine that the pizza represents all the money two teams get for playing in the Fiesta Bowl. Cut it right down the middle. Now, OSU gets one half and Notre Dame gets the other. Ohio State then takes its half of the pizza and shares some of it with the ten other schools in the conference. Notre Dame hates conferences, except for when it serves their best interest such as basketball, baseball and womens sports... the idea that they would have to share that pizza with the likes of BC makes them furious, after all they're fuckin' Notre Dame, so, being more equal than the other teams in this land, they eat it all by themselves. Now look at the pizza Ohio State gets. Its been divided into 11 pieces. Can you show me how you can get one 11th of that pizza to equal more than the one half Notre Dame walked away with? Even after you add the smaller pieces we got from Penn State, Wisconsin, Iowa and... opps... Michigan, we end up with less than Notre Dame.

Beyond that I give up. For several of you hate for Michigan blinds you so much that logic and reason do not apply. You are saying that you would prefer to have Ohio State receive less money, lower rankings, lesser bowl games and smaller media coverage than see Michigan beat Notre Dame. I think the phrase, "cut off your nose to spite your face applies here."
 
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DaddyBigBucks said:
What you are condemning was actually a clever and apt reference to George Orwell's "Animal Farm".



Now that I've raised my head in this thread I'll throw in my 2 cents.
I hate scUM more, but want them to win against ANY non-conference opponent.


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Welcome! Now there are three voices crying out in the wilderness...

That's also a literary reference...
 
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I hate the life out of Michigan, but the way I hate Notre Dame can't be put into words. For starters, I grew up in Catholic schools, so you know I had to put up with ND b.s. for years and years. That is just a drop in the pond though.

In trying to figure out when my hatred for ND really crossed the line, I realized that it amplified about ten times what it was when Brady Quinn started working for me at a store in Columbus. Many of you already know I worked with him so that's no big deal, but let me put his character in perspective.

1. His very own best friend at the store told me something about Brady's physique that immediately pissed me off. I won't be too specific, but all of his 6'5" 220lb. chiseled frame isn't all hard work and God's gifting. That was the start.

2. He wore eye makeup. Everyone at the store knew it. He also shaves his arms and legs. Not that that's anything to condemn a guy for, but honestly...with the makeup. Fairy.

3. Everyone at the store (excluding the GM) hated him. Yes, even the girls. He would walk in and they'd be like...ohhhh man...Brady's working today.

4. When I (then a manager) asked him to do something, he said, "I don't get paid enough to do any work here". I about blew a gasket. I tried to get him fired, but our boss was mind-smoking his pole so much I don't think she could have lived without him.

5. He told her (the GM) that if he didn't get to make his own schedule, that he was going to work for A&F. I was like...you have to be kidding. You think you're that special???

6. His then ugly g/f would come in and sit in a chair the entire shift and talk to him while he flexed his muscles and pretended to be nice to customers.

7. When I asked him why he chose ND he said the academics. I about pissed my pants. Later that day his buddies came in and assured me that it was because of the PT opportunity and lack of competition at ND. That's fine and all, but just admit it. What a prick.

These are just a few. I have a million more and I bet, 9 days out of 10 A.J. is wanting to kill himself because he has to marry in to a family with that pompous P.O.S.

On top of all this, the media slobber-fest that goes on with ND is at the very least nauseating. I want to vomit everytime I hear the words, "return to glory" or "America's team". How about...no bowl victory for what is it now...12 seasons? 11? Pathetic. Regardless...Weiss and his arrogant self don't help the cause. I've never seen a new college coach come onto the scene with a more (unwarranted) bold and ballooned ego. I hope they lose at least 9 this year. I HATE the domers.

Michigan...well, they're a given for tOSU fans. Domers yield a unique and special hate.

Buckiprof and BB have stated it so well thus far. Much appreciated posts gentlemen.
 
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cincibuck said:
"More equal" is a literary reference to Animal Farm. A book most of us read at some point in our education as it is a modern allagory about communism.
THINK
Here, take a pizza, lets imagine that the pizza represents all the money two teams get for playing in the Fiesta Bowl. Cut it right down the middle. Now, OSU gets one half and Notre Dame gets the other. Ohio State then takes its half of the pizza and shares some of it with the ten other schools in the conference. Notre Dame hates conferences, except for basketball and baseball and womens sports... the idea that they would have to share that pizza with the likes of BC makes them furious, after all they're fuckin' Notre Dame, so, being more equal than the other teams in this land, they eat it all by themselves. Now look at the pizza Ohio State gets. Its been divided into 11 pieces. Can you show me how you can get one 11th of that pizza to equal more than the one half Notre Dame walked away with? Even after you add the smaller pieces we got from Penn State, Wisconsin, Iowa and... opps... Michigan, we end up with less than Notre Dame."
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Actually this is false.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2004-12-02-utah-bcs-payday_x.htm

This article is form 04 but I think we can assume that Last 2 years numbers wouldn't vary much from the earlier numbers considering we averaged 1.5 BCS teams in that time. In the stated 6 year time frame B10 teams averaged 15.1 million which is slightly higher than last years BCS payout by the way. Considering ND hasn't gone to a BCS game every year its safe to say that ND hasn't averaged more bowl payout money than any B10 team. So there's your pie. Obviously doing a little research is more advantagous than your "thinking".


cincibuck said:
Beyond that I give up. For several of you hate for Michigan blinds you so much that logic and reason do not apply. You are saying that you would prefer to have Ohio State receive less money, lower rankings, lesser bowl games and smaller media coverage than see Michigan beat Notre Dame. I think the phrase, "cut off your nose to spite your face applies here."
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Never was required to read Animal Farm from a Lit class nor do have any interest in economics/politics, sorry. Anyway.

Like I said before by your way of thinking I should hate everyone outside the B10 more than scUM because they take away money from the B10 and I should hate the SEC more than ND because they average more money per year than ND does.

Furthermore it does benefit OSU to have strong ND football albeit in a round about way. Just as with any sport having a team with large followings perform well generates interest in that sport overall meaning more money for everyone. Thats why the NBA wants the Knicks, Bulls, and Lakers and the MLB wants the Yankees, Red Sox, and Dodgers to be successfull. ND isn't in a major media market but due to their national following they get media attention anyway(I don't think anyone hear would argue that ND doesn't get huge amounts of media attention). Anything that generates more interest in CFB is beneficial to the Buckeyes.
 
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t_BuckeyeScott said:
Actually this is false.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/college/football/2004-12-02-utah-bcs-payday_x.htm

This article is form 04 but I think we can assume that Last 2 years numbers wouldn't vary much from the earlier numbers considering we averaged 1.5 BCS teams in that time. In the stated 6 year time frame B10 teams averaged 15.1 million which is slightly higher than last years BCS payout by the way. Considering ND hasn't gone to a BCS game every year its safe to say that ND hasn't averaged more bowl payout money than any B10 team. So there's your pie. Obviously doing a little research is more advantagous than your "thinking"...
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This is HISTORY. With the recruiting classes Weiss is bringing in, ND will be BCS eligible for the foreseeable future. Do you think there is ANY chance that they won't get into a BCS game when they're eligible?

Clealy, Cinci is assuming CORRECTLY that ND will be going to a BCS game the overwhelming majority of the time for some time to come. Therefore, his pizza metaphor works just fine.

Don't sarcastically bash the "thinking" of someone who has debated circles around you (IMO) and expect to not be called on it.
 
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Usually history gives a good indication of the future isn't that why we have it? Besides as I pointed out even last year's ND payout wasn't as much as a B10 team and now it won't even be close because at max they'll be getting 4.5 million in bowl payout money per year that's at least 10 million less than a B10 team averages so debate that. So they're won't be anymore 14.5 million ND payouts. So the numbers are still there by far. Screw your pie.
 
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Besides that he hasn't shown how benefits correlated with hatred here. I could go all day and list the things that benefit would benefit me that I hate. Lets start with my glasses. Yes they benefit me by helping me see but do I still hate them? Yes. Does the nutrion in green peas benefit me yes. Do I hate them? Yes. I hate doing home improvements. Do they benefit me? Yes.
 
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t_BuckeyeScott said:
Usually history gives a good indication of the future isn't that why we have it? Besides as I pointed out even last year's ND payout wasn't as much as a B10 team and now it won't even be close because at max they'll be getting 4.5 million in bowl payout money per year that's at least 10 million less than a B10 team averages so debate that. So they're won't be anymore 14.5 million ND payouts. So the numbers are still there by far. Screw your pie.
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Yes, and history proves that when a new coach brings in recruiting classes like the ones Weiss is bringing in; that progam becomes a fixture in the BCS.
 
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