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Hate more: ND or UM? (split from ND thread)

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Its not a dislike of the team, its a dislike of the whole worldly theory behind Notre Dame. People that have no buisness liking them do, they get all money from everything their name goes on and they have a biased programming flaw in all NCAA football games in the series that makie it no matter what the teams grade is, they are good.

Screw the ND gathering, but i dont dislike the team.
 
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Here, i did the math so you dont have too.

Big10 total income form bowls for 2006: 39.4 mil / 11 teams = 3.58 mil a team

ND total income for bowls in 2006 = 15mil / 1 team = 15mil for the irish

so it takes us 5 years with 2 BCS'ers and four more bowl eligible to make what ND got last year alone.
 
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Look cinci was the first one to bash a 15 year old giving his opinion. When in 15 years who is really going to matter is that 15 year because even now life expectancies are still right around 75 and that puts Cinci at 78. If he's going to bash kids like that first he should probably get a life. 2nd he should be encouraging sound opinions and making smart observations to a 15 year old. Its not like we would want to turn off our younger fanbase to Buckeye football. Basically why would you want to act like that to a younger fan just because he disagree's with you. I wouldn't say you're a dumbass but probably a jackass. I got no respect for that. Its not like he disrespected you in the first place.

That "dumbass" in the picture may look like a goofball ( he is) but I'm guessing he's doing better than most.

And I never picked a fight with Mili, don't remember typing a word to him so if he's just going to call me a dumbass so be it. I've seen him be a jerk to others so I'll take it in stride and not care. Look if any of you want to take this too seriously go ahead but I am going to go right along enjoying my day.

And now lets "say" I concede that ND gets an unfair advantage moneywise. Does that make them different than the Yankees. Do I hate the Yankees? Absolutely. Do I hate the Yankees as much as Red Sox fan? No. Has tOSU - scUM rivalry been compared to the Yankees/Red Sox rivalry. Yes. What commercial was it they showed on ESPN? Was that a guy with a Buckeye shirt kissing a girl with a Notre Dame shirt. No. it was scUM shirt. Would the commercial make nearly as much sense with ND shirt. No. Despite the fact that ND may or may not recieve more money from the bowls tOSU did have more football revenue than ND did so the advantage really isn't there anyway.
 
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Sparky:Yes last year. ND will not be getting a full payout anymore. And besides that before last year when ND hadn't been to a BCS bowl in ages they weren't getting anwhere near that kind of money. ND has noone to help out in down years. Not that I am sorry for them.
 
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cincibuck said:
OK. Final exam time.

1. State one way in which a Notre Dame victory over Michigan in any way, shape or form benefits Ohio State's football program. Be sure and include rankings, media coverage and bowl selections in your answer and indicate a knowledge of league prestiege and how wins and losses promote or demote a league and all the teams in a league.
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Huumm, OK this one is pretty specific. I believe my BigTen tie break rules are correct.

Say that Michigan, Penn State and Ohio State are tied for the BigTen championship (by virtue of league W/L records) and the right to represent the league in the BCS. Ohio State has beaten Penn State, Penn State has beaten Michigan, and Michigan beats us. Penn State and Ohio State have no other losses, and Michigan's only other loss was to ND. In that scenario, Michigan is eliminated from the 3-way tie (for the OOC loss) and Ohio State goes to the BCS game by virtue of a head-to-head win over Penn State.

Oh well, I don't really hate any teams. A few players, yes. A coach or two here and there ... yes. Large portions of fan bases ... definently! I respect Michigan ... don't like em, but respect the hell out of them. Just look at the history of the rivalry. How could you not respect both teams for that kind of longstanding excellence. I don't really care that much about ND.
 
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t_BuckeyeScott said:
Look cinci was the first one to bash a 15 year old giving his opinion. When in 15 years who is really going to matter is that 15 year because even now life expectancies are still right around 75 and that puts Cinci at 78. If he's going to bash kids like that first he should probably get a life. 2nd he should be encouraging sound opinions and making smart observations to a 15 year old. Its not like we would want to turn off our younger fanbase to Buckeye football. Basically why would you want to act like that to a younger fan just because he disagree's with you. I wouldn't say you're a dumbass but probably a jackass. I got no respect for that. Its not like he disrespected you in the first place.
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Go back through the threads. I didn't know that ginn/smith/10/7 was 15... although I should have guessed it from his handle... and I apologized once I realized that... When he proceeded to tell me that I had no idea of the importance of The Game I gave him a shot across the bow.

As for your continued posts, I'm just stunned by the math and the logic.

As for making smart observations to young fans I'll go with this: when Michigan beats Notre Dame it is good for the Big 10 and good for Ohio State. You don't have to curb your hate or limit the bile you create when you think of Michigan, you only have to acknowledge that, like it or not, our fortunes are inexoriably entwined with Michigan's. it is the quality of BOTH programs that makes The Game The Game.
 
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cincibuck said:
Go back through the threads. I didn't know that ginn/smith/10/7 was 15... although I should have guessed it from his handle... and I apologized once I realized that... When he proceeded to tell me that I had no idea of the importance of The Game I gave him a shot across the bow.

As for your continued posts, I'm just stunned by the math and the logic.

As for making smart observations to young fans I'll go with this: when Michigan beats Notre Dame it is good for the Big 10 and good for Ohio State. You don't have to curb your hate or limit the bile you create when you think of Michigan, you only have to acknowledge that, like it or not, our fortunes are inexoriably entwined with Michigan's. it is the quality of BOTH programs that makes The Game The Game.
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I've not even argued that it benefited OSU for scUM to beat ND or vice versa just that it was no reason to hate ND more as I've pointed out.
 
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For everybody doing math, the Big Ten only gets $4.5 million for the second team that makes the BCS. This is true for all conferences that get a second team into the BCS.

So the Big Ten teams should have received in the neighborhood of $3 million each (after bowl teams deduct their expenses) for the 2005/06 bowl season, when it had 2 BCS teams. The conference has averaged about $2.5 millioin per team since the BCS started in the 1998 season.

Under ND's new agreement with the BCS, they'll get the $4.5 million from the BCS when they make it in, and $1 million in years they don't; which I believe is in addition to any non-BCS bowl payout they would get (the Gator Bowl, which has a tie-in for ND, paid $2.5 million last year).

usatoday.com/06-bowl-payouts

12/07/2005
Bowls give Big Ten conference a big payday
By Steve Wieberg, USA TODAY

The Big Ten can cry about being shut out of college football's national championship picture ... all the way to the bank.

With Penn State and Ohio State in the top-tier Bowl Championship Series and five other teams landing bowl berths, the conference is projected to pocket a record $35 million this postseason — an average of a little more than $3 million per school.
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Penn State's berth in the FedEx Orange Bowl is worth $18.3 million, Ohio State's in the Tostitos Fiesta $4.5 million (reduced because a second league team in the BCS does not receive a full share).
The Big Ten, like other conferences, distributes the revenue league-wide, giving each participating team an allowance for expenses and dividing the rest equally among the 11 member schools.
"It's not a windfall for those teams participating. It's a windfall for the conference," says Penn State athletics director Tim Curley.
"It's something you can plan on. It brings you financial stability."
The Big Ten has averaged $27.8 million in annual bowl revenues since the high-dollar BCS was implemented in 1998. Only the Southeastern Conference has earned more: an average of $29.5 million.
The SEC's six bowl teams are projected to earn $32.55 million this season.
The Big 12, with Texas playing for the national title in the Rose Bowl, is projected to earn virtually the same as it did in 2004: $25 million. The Rose will pay $14.86 million per team, less than the other three BCS games because it negotiates a separate contract.

The Pacific-10, with Southern California chasing an unprecedented third consecutive national championship in the Rose, figures to get less than it did a year ago: $19.9 million, down from a little more than $21 million.
All told, the 28 bowls are expected to pay a record $193.1 million this season, up about 4% from 2004.

No school is more flush than Notre Dame, which as an independent will keep all of a projected $18.3 million from the Fiesta. Timing is everything; changes in the BCS contract will limit the Irish to a standard at-large share of $4.5 million beginning next year.
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So in the 10 years prior to this year's fiesta how many major bowls has ND gone too? 0. How many total bowls? 5. So really how much extra bowl money has ND gotten over the last few years? Remember ND didn't get any help from other teams. Not much compared to alot of other big teams. Granted ND will make a few more BCS games while Weiss is around but its not like he isn't going to have the occasional down year either like OU in 05 or tOSU in 04. By Notre Dame taking only the 4.5 million for a BCS appearence that leaves the other 14 million to go to the other conferences increasing their average bowl take. It could be even more considering they seem to be making more money each year on these things. So more than 14 million could be going to the other conferences to divvy out. And it seems as if ND did a favor by taking the deal at least in the near future because they're going to be a perennial BCS team for a little while at least, and then we could be talking the 18 million every year. And I repeat even with the extra revenue ND recieved last year they still had less football revenue than 6 other football teams including tOSU.
 
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t_BuckeyeScott said:
So in the 10 years prior to this year's fiesta how many major bowls has ND gone too? 0. How many total bowls? 5. So really how much extra bowl money has ND gotten over the last few years? Remember ND didn't get any help from other teams...
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Read this:

"Under ND's new agreement with the BCS, they'll get the $4.5 million from the BCS when they make it in, and $1 million in years they don't; which I believe is in addition to any non-BCS bowl payout they would get (the Gator Bowl, which has a tie-in for ND, paid $2.5 million last year)."

What other team gets paid $1mil for not even making a bowl game?
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Read this:

"Under ND's new agreement with the BCS, they'll get the $4.5 million from the BCS when they make it in, and $1 million in years they don't; which I believe is in addition to any non-BCS bowl payout they would get (the Gator Bowl, which has a tie-in for ND, paid $2.5 million last year)."

What other team gets paid $1mil for not even making a bowl game?
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Illinois, Indiana, Michigan St, and Purdue come to mind from 2005.
 
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