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Hawaii Rainbow Warriors (official thread)

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MililaniBuckeye;946274; said:
You mean our offense that piled up 30 points against the very worst defense in I-A college football? We haven't faced a solid defense yet this year...
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And Hawaii's is solid?

No, we go in there with the offense that put up 58 on NW. Or have we forgotten about that one already?

Either way, I'm just talking trash to the trash talking from that board. But are you going to tell me we let Hawaii get us into a shootout? Cause I'd like to hear how that happens...We would roll that defense with the running game. Hawaii's offense would spend much of the day as spectators. I don't care about margin of victory. The Hawaii poster spoke of "running the table in the B10". That wouldn't happen and I've alluded to why it wouldn't happen...You take the air out of the ball and limit their possessions. It's a solid game plan against any of these "basketball on grass" type teams and we have the horses to do it against a physically over matched Hawaii defense...
 
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Saw31;946276; said:
And Hawaii's is solid?

No, we go in there with the offense that put up 58 on NW. Or have we forgotten about that one already?
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Hawaii's defense, while not all that good, is better than Northwestern's. My point is that Hawaii would present us with a far better game than most here would expect.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;946277; said:
Hawaii's defense, while not all that good, is better than Northwestern's. My point is that Hawaii would present us with a far better game than most here would expect.
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I haven't seen them this year. But I have no doubt they could beat several B10 teams. As I said, this is more about trash talking for me 'cause none of this is going to happen anyway.

If I take this question seriously, I start with my game plan/philosophy I've outlined above, but that's with the assumption they are the same as they've been in the past. "Spread 'em out and outscore 'em." To win this way, the other team must play along IMO. A team capable of grinding out yardage and clock will put you in a "must score" mode every possession. To win consistently playing "basketball on grass", you must have enough possessions to put up those big numbers because you aren't going to, or very rarely are you going to score at a 100% rate. The limitations of this type of football is that it's not difficult to miss three passes in a row and get yourself into 4th and 10s with bad field position, sticking your defense in impossible situations. Without some other important pieces to the puzzle that they haven't displayed in the past; strong, athletic defense, it can get to "desperate time" rather quickly, as the clock rolls. Plus, this type of football makes you vulnerable to comebacks, since you spend your time practicing full throttle offense that isn't conducive to running the clock once you have gotten a good lead...And then none of this even takes into account the things others have brought up. Specifically, how are they going to do on a cold, wet, November day in the midwest?

But anyway, don't take me for one of these posters that thinks Hawaii couldn't come in and compete. I don't believe that. It would not surprise me if they would beat the bottom half of the Big Ten on a fairly regular basis, especially at home. Knocking off the top guys would be a challenge for them without getting the defensive side of the ball steady and solid.
 
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Hawaii's offense is a turbo-charged version of NW and Minnesota's offense. Notice that Minnesota, while starting off 1-3, still averaged around 40 points a game against the cupcakes, presenting us with a solid comparison to the Hawaii offense. The fact that we held Minny and NW to 7 apiece (Northwestern's not even coming on offense) leads me to believe that we could reasonably hold Hawaii under 20 points, depending on the motivation factor of the Silver Bullets. Bucks would beat Hawaii by more than a TD on the island, and by more than 10 in Ohio.
 
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I respect what Hawaii does and what they have done. They execute their offensive scheme as well as anyone in the country. Their scheme does have a weakness, however, against a team like Ohio State which has a deep secondary and speed at the DE and LB spots.

That weakness is in the red zone, and here's what happens to a spread team when they get in close against a good defense: the routes are shorter, so the zone doesn't get "spread" as far. The LBs are able to cover short underneath routes, and the QB is limited in his time to throw due to the pass rush. An offense which was moving the ball steadily between the 20s now slows down and settles for FGs instead of TDs. Ohio State has done this time and time again against spread offenses. You just can't put up those 30 and 40 point games.

Then on the other side of the ball, as mentioned, Tressel shortens the game with a mix of power running and short passes, reducing the total number of possessions. A big part of Hawaii's gaudy stats is the fact that the games end up being played with a higher than average number of possessions. Their game plan is to score more frequently than their opponents (eg. on 70% of drives versus say 55%), which they can do.

Would we blow out Hawaii like Northwestern? No, definitely not. Hawaii is more talented and better coached than either NU or Minnesota. A Purdue comparison might be apt, but I'd have to spend more time watching both. From the game portions I've seen, they have a better QB than the Boilers, and a pretty good group of receivers. I'm not sure that either defense is worth bragging about. Hawaii also does have a fantastic home field advantage, however, and I would not be eager to see the Bucks play in the islands.

So could they run the B10? Taking that home field advantage away for a second, I can see them beating quite a few teams in the league with the stars aligned just right. Ohio State is not one of them, however. :wink:
 
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At the beginning of the third quarter I could see my money paying that lousey bookies rent. Then preordained as if by some volcanic god, Hawaii comes to beat the over and win. Hawaii over this season moves to 4-1 and Hawaii is 7-0 and four games away from covering the preseason bet. With one game left on the mainland I feel great about the warriors chances of picking up 11 wins. I'm all in on the over barring something ridiculous.

Next week vs. New Mexico State will in all probability have the highest under over in NCAA history
 
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From another board and I totally concur, put these men on Mount Rushmore!
 
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I've seen approximately 3/8 of one of Hawaii's games. And it was last night. And they did not look good. Their offense looked pretty bad. Of course, that was helped by their receivers refusing to catch the easy passes. But Brennen didn't give them many easy passes. And it was also helped by a field that made the 2006 Ohio Stadium field look like a race track. Hawaii's defense looked like they couldn't stop me from scoring 4 touchdowns.

I think I'll try to watch more of their games before I consider whether they are a somewhat decent team.
 
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