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HOF Classes: 2007, 2008 (official thread)

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Bucklion

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The new class is:

Thurman Thomas, Charley Sanders, Gene Hickerson, Roger Wehrli, Bruce Matthews, and Mr. Self-promotion himself, Michael Irvin. Perhpas the biggest 2 shocks were Wehrli making it, and Tagliabue not even making the first cutdown.
 
tibor75;738713; said:
Irvin deserves it despite being a prick. Of course, the clueless fan will argue ad nauseum about Art Monk being bypassed, even though Art Monk was never one of the great players in any one year. The Palmeiro of hte NFL.
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Pro Bowl three years (1984, 1985, 1986), and All Pro two years (1984, 1985). Led the NFL in receptions in 1984, was 2nd in 1985, and 3rd in 1989. Next...
 
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MililaniBuckeye;738717; said:
Pro Bowl three years (1984, 1985, 1986), and All Pro two years (1984, 1985). Led the NFL in receptions in 1984, was 2nd in 1985, and 3rd in 1989. Next...
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Rudi Johnson is a pro-bowler. Is he a great player?

who cares about receptions? Why didn't you mention yards? Because he never lead the lead in the most important category..

If Chad Johnson retired today, he'd have as many all-pro years and pro-bowl years as Art Monk. is he a HOF right now?


You are right though. I should have worded my original post better. He was a 'great' player for at least 2 years.
 
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My favorite was the clueless dipshit on the NFL network that said that Irvin "Was the heart and soul of Dallas"...uh, er, OK, I guess Emmitt and Aikman were just background accessories....dumbass. Irvin is a HOF worthy player, but he was not even the 2nd best player on Dallas' offense.
 
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tibor75;738722; said:
Rudi Johnson is a pro-bowler. Is he a great player?

who cares about receptions? Why didn't you mention yards? Because he never lead the lead in the most important category..

If Chad Johnson retired today, he'd have as many all-pro years and pro-bowl years as Art Monk. is he a HOF right now?


You are right though. I should have worded my original post better. He was a 'great' player for at least 2 years.
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The same logic applies to Terrell Davis, who should never get into the HOF, but probably will anyway.
 
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tibor75;738722; said:
who cares about receptions? Why didn't you mention yards? Because he never lead the lead in the most important category...
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I wouldn't necessarily say that was the most important category. In fact, when they say "So-and-so leads the league in receiving", they refer to receptions, not yardage. By the way, he was third in yardage in 1985 and fourth in 1984. He also set then-NFL records for catches in a season (106), most consecutive games with at least one reception (164), and career receptions (820). Have either of your aforementioned Johnsons set any all-time NFL records?
 
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tibor75;738722; said:
If Chad Johnson retired today, he'd have as many all-pro years and pro-bowl years as Art Monk. is he a HOF right now?
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No he wouldnt be a Hall of Famer only because the NFL expectations are a lot higher today because of the outstanding talent these days in the NFL. Back then, it seemed like it was just the good players that were playing. Im not sure how to exactly say this but i think CJ has more to add to his HOF resume.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;738732; said:
I wouldn't necessarily say that was the most important category. In fact, when they say "So-and-so leads the league in receiving", they refer to receptions, not yardage. By the way, he was third in yardage in 1985 and fourth in 1984. He also set then-NFL records for catches in a season (106), most consecutive games with at least one reception (164), and career receptions (820). Have either of your aforementioned Johnsons set any all-time NFL records?
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No. But using stats to prove the worth of somebody's HOF credentials is always dicey. Like I said, you can do the same thing with Palmeiro.

As somebody once said about pornography, you know it when you see it. Monk is nowhere as close to Irvin or Harrison or others in his impact on the game. He was a very good player who played a very long time. that's it.

Of course, you could prove your case by bringing up Swannie's career numbers. But just because somebody was stupid enough to elect 10 steelers, doesn't mean they should compound their ignorance by taking Monk as well.
 
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tibor75;738767; said:
As somebody once said about pornography, you know it when you see it. Monk is nowhere as close to Irvin or Harrison or others in his impact on the game. He was a very good player who played a very long time. that's it.
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A WR who played at the consistently high level that Monk played at for the length he played it deserves the HOF as much as a WR who played a lot less and was more hyped...Monk epitomized the position.

Irvin also was fortunate enough to be on a Dallas team loaded with talent, and as the team succeeded and won Super Bowls, he benefitted from it. And keep in mind that Art Monk had no bad attitude and off-field problems, whilst punk-assed Irvin was just that...a punk ass.
 
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MililaniBuckeye;738833; said:
A WR who played at the consistently high level that Monk played at for the length he played it deserves the HOF as much as a WR who played a lot less and was more hyped...Monk epitomized the position.

Irvin also was fortunate enough to be on a Dallas team loaded with talent, and as the team succeeded and won Super Bowls, he benefitted from it. And keep in mind that Art Monk had no bad attitude and off-field problems, whilst punk-assed Irvin was just that...a punk ass.
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Did Irvin miss any games because of his punk ass? I'm really asking - I don't know.

If he didn't, I could care less about his off the field stuff. If it didn't cost his team any games, it shouldn't matter.

The debate about Irvin's supporting cast really can't be resolved because that's the debate about almost every player in the HOF. Frankly, I'm not sure Emmitt Smith was all that great.
 
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tibor75;738769; said:
Davis can use injuries as his excuse. Monk played out his entire career and never showed that he was one of the best receivers to ever play the game.
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Jerry Rice & Ronnie Lott would disagree with you... but I'm sure the reporters know more than them.
 
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tibor75;739027; said:
Did Irvin miss any games because of his punk ass? I'm really asking - I don't know.

If he didn't, I could care less about his off the field stuff. If it didn't cost his team any games, it shouldn't matter.

The debate about Irvin's supporting cast really can't be resolved because that's the debate about almost every player in the HOF. Frankly, I'm not sure Emmitt Smith was all that great.
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Irvin was injured in 1989 and 1990...I don't if he missed any games because of the injuries.

His "off field stuff" does come into play as to his character as to how he represents the game. The NFL HOF isn't just a repository for the busts of the most talented individuals to play in the NFL.
 
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