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HOF Classes: 2007, 2008 (official thread)

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ABJ

Path to hall finally opens for Browns' Hickerson

Six-time Pro Bowler chosen after waiting for 29 years

By Patrick McManamon

Beacon Journal sportswriter

Gene Hickerson finally has his deserved spot in Canton.
The Browns guard was voted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame on Saturday, joining fellow seniors nominee Charlie Sanders and four other modern-era players.

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ABJ

Call comes loud and clear for Thomas

Associated Press

MIAMI - Thurman Thomas hardly needed to wait for a phone call. His mother - screaming as she ran down a hotel hallway - was more than enough to bring him the good news.
"She was yelling, 'We're in, we're in,'" said Thomas, who was watching college basketball on TV at the time. "At that moment, I knew I had made it."

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Hickerson a foundation block of Browns
Sunday, February 4, 2007
By Steve Doerschuk repository sports writer


It's tricky to say what about former Cleveland Browns blocker Gene Hickerson made him worthy of his Saturday election to the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Maybe this helps:
Hickerson started every game the Browns played, including 11 in the postseason, during the last 11 years of a career spanning 1958-73, all with Cleveland. In those 11 seasons, the Browns were 102-48-4

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Bucklion;739314; said:
Dios F-ing Mio, quite a discussion of guys not in the class of 2007 :lol:
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Yeah we did take it for quite a left turn. Feel free to delete the whole thing. I enjoyed the debate though.

Anyway, good class this year. Not sure where I stand with Irvin though. He was a great receiver, no doubt. The drug thing kind of makes me think that he could have been made to wait a little longer to get in. Just sends a bad message I think.
 
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Art Monk is not HOF caliber. The number of times that he was in the top 5 in any major category in any season is embarrassingly low. He's like a RB that rushes for 1100 yards a year and plays for a long time.

HOF for this bum? Comical.

Receptions

1984 NFL 106 (1-- 24)
1985 NFL 91 (2)
1988 NFL 72 (9)
1989 NFL 86 (3)
Career 940 (7)

Receiving Yds

1984 NFL 1372 (4-- 69)
1985 NFL 1226 (3)
1989 NFL 1186 (10)
Career 12721 (12)

Chad Johnson has already more top 5 finishes in receiving yards. And you can't use the argument that Monk didn't play in a pass happy era.
 
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Some Art Monk facts...

- Played 16 seasons
- 1,000 yard seasons: 5
- 50 catch seasons: 9 (which leaves 7 below)
- Career TD Receptions: 68
- Only 3 Pro Bowls
- Never caught more than 8 TD's in a season.
- Average season: 52 REC, 795 YDS, 4 TDs

Not HOF IMO.

Now, put those same facts against Carter's...
- Played 16 seasons
- 1,000 yard seasons: 8
- 50 catch seasons: 11
- Career TD Receptions: 130
- 8 Pro Bowl selections (in a row!)
- 8 seasons of 9+ TD Receptions.
- Average season: 69 REC, 869 YDS, 8 TDs


That's a fucking joke.
 
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Carter will get in, there is no doubt. I have a couple of sources relatively close to the process (i.e. they know people personally who do the voting) and they have told me a few things, and I've added a few of my own observations:

1- Art Monk will of course continue to be a polarizing figure. Era has to be taken into consideration...a lot of the numbers of the chuck-and-duck offense of the 90's-today dwarf the older game of the 70's and 80's which was more based on the run and vertical passing (Andre Rison for the HOF anyone?) so numbers don't mean everything. Plus he was the all-time leader in receptions when he retired, if you like numbers.

2- There has only been one first-ballot HOF receiver (Steve Largent) and the voters are saving that honor next for Jerry Rice. Carter will get in, but he had some troubles early in his career and bloomed late to have a bunch of big seasons. He will get in, trust me.

3- Along those same lines, the voters hate WRs. Andre Reed should be in, and look at the trouble he's having. Carter is a victim of the WR syndrome...if he was a QB he'd be a shoe-in (if you catch my meaning).

4- To me the bigger joke than Carter is that Gradishar continues to get denied. Apparently, however, the local media has to be an advocate for the players that are nominated, and the Denver people are notorious for not going to bat for their players. Looks like he'll continue to suffer for that.

5- Fred Dean and Andre Tippett over Richard Dent and Randy Gradishar? Wow.
 
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Bucklion;1081957; said:
1- Art Monk will of course continue to be a polarizing figure. Era has to be taken into consideration...a lot of the numbers of the chuck-and-duck offense of the 90's-today dwarf the older game of the 70's and 80's which was more based on the run and vertical passing (Andre Rison for the HOF anyone?) so numbers don't mean everything. Plus he was the all-time leader in receptions when he retired, if you like numbers..
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agreed. That is why I posted the stats I posted. The important point is how the player compared to the players in his era. Monk rarely was in the top 5 in any season. his lack of Pro Bowls indicates that he rarely was considered the best in any one season.

And based on that, we are supposed to believe he is one of the greatest of all time?

As I said before, Chad Johnson has dominated more seasons than Monk has.
 
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