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How bad could the BCS get?

Discussion in 'Buckeye Football' started by crazybuckfan40, Nov 27, 2004.

  1. If USC wins tonight, and Cal loses next week

    That means that the top 6 would be

    1. USC
    2&3. Auburn OU
    4. Utah
    5. Texas
    6. Boise St.

    The games would be:

    Orange - Usc vs. Auburn or OU

    leaving the others with the choices between:

    Pitt(r u kidding me they lost to Nebraska and even worse almost lost to furman)

    Auburn or OU - good teams

    Utah - they play in the WAC nuff said

    Boise - even worse

    Texas - Not a very good team just easy schedue

    scUM - you seen what we did to them

    Va Tech or Miami - They are decent teams but nothing great

    Also if you are in the top 6 don't you automatically get a bid so Utah, Boise, and texas all get bids leaving one team from a conference out.

    It could also get real screwy if Auburn or Ou lose their championship games.

    What about if OU, USC, and AU all lose their last games. It is all very possible.
     
    Last edited: Nov 27, 2004
  2. DaytonBuck

    DaytonBuck I've always liked them

    If Pitt loses to South Florida next week, Syracuse is in :dead:
     
  3. Buckeye513

    Buckeye513 Stable Genius

    Bullshit Championship Series.
    What else is new?

    P.S. Grad21, please don't tell my mom I used the 'B' word.:(
     
  4. Saw31

    Saw31 High Seas Rogue

    League champs get a bid. So someone from the ACC is in also. And I think you're only guaranteed a spot if you make it into the top 6 from a non-BCS conference. BCS conference top sixes aren't guarenteed anything I don't think.

    6-league champs
    1-Utah top 6 non-BCS
    1-highest ranked in the top six, unless, as your scenario suggests, Boise State makes it into the top 6. Then Boise State gets it ahead of a BCS conference team (non-champ).

    This is only my understanding and may be very flawed. I'm sick of relearning this sh!t every year. :biggrin:

    EDIT:ooops. Did you edit in the ACC teams or did I just miss it the first time?
     
    Last edited: Nov 27, 2004
  5. Nate

    Nate I am Nate and I approved this message.

    So Texas can still get bumped out? :lol: :lol:

    Honestly, after the top 3 teams in the BCS, no team is that great. Who cares. I'm sure after this season, more and more people, press, coaches, etc. will be in favor of a plus 1 game.

    I'm not sure if a true playoff system would work, but I do think the plus 1 game would much better than the current system.
     
  6. Saw31

    Saw31 High Seas Rogue

    Yeah. I think this is what the BCS changed to keep the non-BCS conferences from suing and to keep the congress out of college football.

    But these rules have changed so often now, I really have no idea whether or not I'm talking outta my arse. :biggrin:
     
  7. Saw31 thanks for the clarification and yes I edited the acc in there, I forgot about them.

    What about what happened last year when Ou was so good that they lost the championship game and still stayed #1. Say they lose this year and so does AU, my guess is one of them still stays in the championship game, but that would make a non conference winner in the top 2 and then 2 non bcs teams in the top 6 with a cal lose. what do they do then.

    They just need an 8 team play-off.

    Take the conference winners and two at large teams. No questions asked and let them battle it out. Let the other teams still have their bowl games and it still keeps everyone happy. This is just getting ridiculous the fact that these teams deserve to play for a chance at the title and arent getting it.
     
  8. JXC

    JXC 17-2 since 2001

    Why do they need a playoff? The season acts as a playoff...and the bowls cap it off. Who cares if there is a split national championship...most times that is not going to happen. Since the BCS started, last year was the only year who was #1 was in any doubt. At least the top 2 teams in somebodies eyes get to play each other. Playoffs don't prove anything...upsets can happen...if you are 8-3 and limp into the playoffs and then win them out...I think then it just kind of takes away from what college football is about. If there were a playoff next year...our game vs. Texas would be meaningless.

    If it isn't broken...don't fix it: College football isn't broken. It's awesome. Games sell out, bowls thrive...and would thrive more if there were still less of them...but how many bowl game tickets are sold all together. It's got to be a record number. College football is on TV in record numbers. Why change things? It's not like there is some major flaw...the way college football is set up makes it unique.

    If there is any type of playoff...my opinion is that it should be a MAX of 4 teams. Why do we need more than 4? I can not remember there ever being more than 4 teams that could claim they deserve a naitonal championship in a year. You could even just make a championship game after all the bowls are over. Sure...some teams play better towards the end...but if you lose early...you lose. That's what makes the SEASON a playoff...and each game important!

    Why is the BCS in trouble? Utah and Bosie State could be playing...and I bet all of you want to watch them play too. I'm sure more people are going to want to see what these mid-majors do than would want to see what a team like Texas would do. Plus...THESE TEAMS ARE GOOD. They would not have gone undefeated and be ranked so high if they weren't. If these teams play each other it won't be much fun...but games like Utah vs Auburn and Miami, FL vs. Bosie State would be pretty sweet to watch IMHO. Pittsburgh did kind of mess things up...but that's because if the Big LEast...and this is a one time thing because that conference isn't a major conference after this year.

    Especially as a Buckeye fan...playoffs would ruin it. They would ruin the Rose Bowl...because it wouldn't be a goal anymore. They would ruin the scUM game...because it would likely have a lot less meaning when it comes to where the teams will go from there. Sure it would still be The Game and be about pride...but one thing that makes the game THE GAME is that it always seems to have a lot on the line. If you were 10-0 going into the game with a playoff system...your season isn't on the line...just a possible seed in the playoffs. Plus...this would likely set up years when we play scUM twice. That takes away from a rivalry too. Miami playing FSU 3 times in less than a year took away from their rivalry.

    Playoffs won't remove controversy...they will just move it. If you have 8 teams...then #9 and #10 are going to bitch. Right now #3 and #4 bitch.

    I just can't stress enough how GREAT college football is. The debates about which teams are best is fun. The Rose Bowl is great. That's the goal for the Buckeyes...to win the Rose Bowl. If it's not the NC, and you go to the NC...then that's great too.

    Remember 2002? How fun would have have been if we knew all we needed to do was finish in the top 8? Wouldn't be such a magical season would it? Every game that year was a playoff game...do or die. PLEASE...PLEASE don't take season like that away. I love college football the way it is.
     
  9. MililaniBuckeye

    MililaniBuckeye The satanic soulless freight train that is Ohio St Staff Member Tech Admin

    I want to address several point brought up by JonathanXC:

    Why do they need a playoff? The season acts as a playoff...and the bowls cap it off.

    Then why do the Big 12 and SEC have their own championship games?

    If it isn't broken...don't fix it: College football isn't broken.

    College football itself isn't broken...it's the BCS that's broken.

    If there is any type of playoff...my opinion is that it should be a MAX of 4 teams. Why do we need more than 4?

    Because with the parity in football today, a deserving team could be ranked significantly lower than it should be. YSU won at least one national title when it was ranked lower than #4 in the final regular season poll (actually two titles, if I'm not mistaken).

    Why is the BCS in trouble?

    Because it may end up allowing an unranked team into a BCS bowl while shutting out its own #5 team.

    Playoffs won't remove controversy...they will just move it. If you have 8 teams...then #9 and #10 are going to bitch. Right now #3 and #4 bitch.

    The farther down the line you go, the less they can bitch about. #3 may always have a legitimate bitch...#17 has a far less legitimate bitch.

    Remember 2002? How fun would have have been if we knew all we needed to do was finish in the top 8?

    Remember 1998? How fun would it have been had we been selected for a playoff berth despite our sleepwalk against MSU.

    Keep in mind that Div I-A college football is the only major sport, either pro or amateur, that doesn't have some sort of playoff system. That alone should tell you how fucked up it is.
     
  10. Brutus1

    Brutus1 Don't be penurious, donate to the BP Spring Dr.

    I'll bet the Fiesta Bowl powers that be are happy as hell to have a prospective game of Pitt vs. Utah. ZZZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzz.

    Utah, which is a good team, will wax Pitt.

    Boise is a decent team but no where worthy of a BCS game. They shoud stay on the 'Smurf Turf' for the Humanitarian Bowl like they always do. I really enjoy watching them play in that game, I'm not so sure I want to see them in a New Years Day game.

    The team that appears to be coming on is Louisville. After watching the pasting they gave to Cinci, they're offense is unbelievable.

    The bottom line is at this point, the Alamo Bowl is the only bowl I really care about. It's looking more and more like T.T will be our opponent.
     
  11. ScarletArrow

    ScarletArrow I'm wearing Gold Pants

    Mili - good points - allow me to counterpoint.

    Why do they need a playoff? The season acts as a playoff...and the bowls cap it off.

    Then why do the Big 12 and SEC have their own championship games?

    These games are not true 'playoffs' - they are merely one way to determine an undisputed conference champion since everyone cannot play each other. This is more like the 'plus one' format - which I would not consider a playoff.

    If it isn't broken...don't fix it: College football isn't broken.

    College football itself isn't broken...it's the BCS that's broken.

    The BCS does exactly what is was designed to do - create a #1 vs. #2 matchup without using a playoff. There are only two real problems with the BCS: 1) your average AP voter hates algebra, and 2) there will always be a good 3rd team on the outside looking in.

    IMO the BCS worked the way it was supposed to last year. USC had a terrible SOS, and by the formula created, did not deserve to play for the title. They were reminiscent of the Nebraska teams in the 80's, i.e. loading up on a weak schedule and ending up ranked in the top 10 each year.

    If there is any type of playoff...my opinion is that it should be a MAX of 4 teams. Why do we need more than 4?

    Because with the parity in football today, a deserving team could be ranked significantly lower than it should be. YSU won at least one national title when it was ranked lower than #4 in the final regular season poll (actually two titles, if I'm not mistaken).

    Pro's & Con's of a 4 team playoff
    - teams would only be included if they demonstrated excellence the entire season
    - where you start in the preseason polls would be a huge factor
    - the NCAA would be leaving a lot of money on the table with fewer games
    - 'wild card' teams frequently win the title
    - a hot team at the end of the season could make a run, and depending on your perspective, this good be good or bad

    Why is the BCS in trouble?

    Because it may end up allowing an unranked team into a BCS bowl while shutting out its own #5 team.

    This problem has only been created by the ever shifting foundation of conference alignments. When the BCS was created - who would have thought that Miami, Va Tech, and BC would move to the ACC leaving the Big East decimated? The BCS itself can't be blamed for this when the Big East wouldn't normally be guaranteed a BCS bowl offering such a weak lineup.

    Playoffs won't remove controversy...they will just move it. If you have 8 teams...then #9 and #10 are going to bitch. Right now #3 and #4 bitch.

    The farther down the line you go, the less they can bitch about. #3 may always have a legitimate bitch...#17 has a far less legitimate bitch.

    Then why did they have to go to a 'playoff' to determine the 64th seed for the NCAAB tourney?

    And, we still haven't answered how we would pick the top 16 teams? AP poll? ESPN / Coaches poll? Both? The BCS? We would be having the same conversation all over again, except it would be about wether a 7-4 OSU is more deserving than a 8-1 TCU team.

    Remember 2002? How fun would have have been if we knew all we needed to do was finish in the top 8?

    Remember 1998? How fun would it have been had we been selected for a playoff berth despite our sleepwalk against MSU.

    I guess I buy into the 'the season itself is a single elimination tournament'. Who's to say that a good team won't sleepwalk in the playoff?

    Keep in mind that Div I-A college football is the only major sport, either pro or amateur, that doesn't have some sort of playoff system. That alone should tell you how fucked up it is.

    This incongruency never really mattered to me. I don't think it is a logical conclusion to say 'everyone else has a playoff - therefore college football must have playoff'.
     
    Last edited: Nov 28, 2004
  12. kn1f3party

    kn1f3party Junior

    crazybuckfan40:

    Utah plays in the Mountain West and will, more than likely, decimate their opponent in the Fiesta Bowl. Texas is good, real good. Pitt/UM get their based on conference agreements. Wisconsin needed to win, but they choked and now a weaker team enters the BCS (see why the analysts have been all over the B10 this year?). BC was drubbed by Syracuse, now the conference champion is an unranked Pitt team that could beat the teams it should. Boise State has the longest winning streak in College Football, they are deserving of their spot. I'll have to agree with ScarletArrow, the BCS is doing what it was designed to do. These conferences agreed to this and should put a gag order on the coaches--ie Pete Carroll last year. Until we fix the human beings that rank these teams, there will always be controversey.
     
  13. UGABuck

    UGABuck Newbie

    Great point!! Fix the human beings first.

    If anyone watched ESPN last night with Trev and Reece, they discussed Walt Harris having a coaches vote and Pasquarelli (sp) not having a vote. Because BCS points will help determine who wins the Big Least, and their teams are virtually dead even in BCS points, he could vote for his team thus sending them to a BCS bowl.

    Now....how fucked up is that?
     
  14. BuckeyeSoldier

    BuckeyeSoldier 2 time Reigning BuckeyePlanet Poker Champion

    I am gonna go with the "the bcs is good we dont need a playoff" folks.. i think college football is the greatest sport in the world BECAUSE every game matters so much.. name one other sport where loss at any point can ruin your season??

    If any change should be made they should bring back the computers and SOS and do away with the human polls!! humans are biased, computers arent. The big east should lose their bowl bid and no conference champion not in the top 16 should get a bowl bid. the bowls are too much fun, and since we dont have a playoff more than one team is capable of winning the last game they play.. it cracks me up that in college basketball ohio state could lose everygame all season as long as they win the last game they play, then they are national champions lol.
     
  15. Utah would beat us this year.
     

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