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How Does Joey Bosa Compare to Other tOSU DLs?

How Does Joey Bosa Compare to Other tOSU DLs?

  • 1st

    Votes: 24 72.7%
  • 2nd

    Votes: 6 18.2%
  • 3rd

    Votes: 2 6.1%
  • 4th

    Votes: 1 3.0%
  • 5th

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Not in top 5

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    33
Really? Voting patterns are cyclical, and the right defensive player can be a viable candidate, even recently:

2012 - Manti Teo, LB (finished #2)
2011 - Tyrann Mathieu, CB (finished #5)
2009 - Ndamukong Suh, DT (finished #4)
So you've given 5 names in over 35 years, the anamoly is all you've done. No lineman hardly ever get serious consideration for the Heismanm nor do defensive players. Voting patterns aren't cyclical, sure sometimes a guy will get voted in the top 5, and the voters will squash any way that he'll win it as well.
 
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And to the topic of Bosa, after thinking about some of the great DL that I've seen over my own years(Thad Gibson, Mike Vrabel, Matt Finkes, Big Daddy, will Smith, Vernon Gholston, etc), Bosa may be the best of them all. He was the most disruptive and was one of the few that always brought his A game to every game. Some guys only seemed to step up in big games, or post big numbers against inferior teams, but Bosa seemed to not only put up big numbers when everyone knew how good he was but his other talent was shown this year when he commanded double and triple teams and allowed the other defensive players to step up. Bosa is #1 for me.
 
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So you've given 5 names in over 35 years, the anamoly is all you've done. No lineman hardly ever get serious consideration for the Heismanm nor do defensive players. Voting patterns aren't cyclical, sure sometimes a guy will get voted in the top 5, and the voters will squash any way that he'll win it as well.
All I had to do was go back less than a decade to show that truly outstanding players other than QBs and RBs can be considered serious Heisman candidates, so anomaly my ass.

As far as "voting patterns aren't cyclical", you couldn't be more wrong:

From 1973-1983, RBs won it every fucking year (11 straight)...and the 1972 winner Johnny Rodgers played both WR and RB (and return kicks), so you could say RBs won it 12 years in a row.
From 1984-1999, the award alternated literally almost every year between QBs and RBs, with two WRs (Time Brown in 1987 and Desmond Howard in 1991) and a defensive guy (Charles Woodson in 1997) sprinkled in for fun.
From 2000-2015, QBs won it 13 of 16 times (RBs won it in 2005, 2009, and 2015). QBs won it five times in a row twice during that timeframe.

So, over the last 40+ years, you can see three distinct cycles of RBs winning it ever year, then a long stretch of it being wide open to anyone, to a stretch where QBs dominated.

List of Heisman Trophy winners
 
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All I had to do was go back less than a decade to show that truly outstanding players other than QBs and RBs can be considered serious Heisman candidates, so anomaly my ass.

As far as "voting patterns aren't cyclical", you couldn't be more wrong:

From 1973-1983, RBs won it every fucking year (11 straight)...and the 1972 winner Johnny Rodgers played both WR and RB (and return kicks), so you could say RBs won it 12 years in a row.
From 1984-1999, the award alternated literally almost every year between QBs and RBs, with two WRs (Time Brown in 1987 and Desmond Howard in 1991) and a defensive guy (Charles Woodson in 1997) sprinkled in for fun.
From 2000-2015, QBs won it 13 of 16 times (RBs won it in 2005, 2009, and 2015). QBs won it five times in a row twice during that timeframe.

So, over the last 40+ years, you can see three distinct cycles of RBs winning it ever year, then a long stretch of it being wide open to anyone, to a stretch where QBs dominated.

List of Heisman Trophy winners
So cyclical or the best players were at those positions? From 1973-1983 CFB was dominated by RBs in offenses like the wishbone and option and other run oriented schemes. 1984-99, teams were running far more pass friendly offenses, hence why more QBs started winning it as well as WRs, and RBs who were versatile At running and catching(I.e. Thurman Thomas and Barry Sanders). Charles Woodson was an anamoly because he also played offense, if he only played defense no way would he have won. Deion Sanders was one of the best if not the best cover CB in college as was Darrelle Revis and neither got close to a Hesiman. The Honey Badger got close because he also scored a number of defensive a TDs, and was a special teams threat. 2000-2015 say the spread offense dominate and hence us seeing so many QBs win the heisman. And if it wasn't for Ingram and Henry dominating carries on the best team, they wouldn't have won.

So what we've seen are a change in the CFB schemes more than anything. And no, a DL or any lineman won't be winning the Heisman anytime soon if ever which is back to the original point.
 
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So cyclical or the best players were at those positions? From 1973-1983 CFB was dominated by RBs in offenses like the wishbone and option and other run oriented schemes. 1984-99, teams were running far more pass friendly offenses, hence why more QBs started winning it as well as WRs, and RBs who were versatile At running and catching(I.e. Thurman Thomas and Barry Sanders). Charles Woodson was an anamoly because he also played offense, if he only played defense no way would he have won. Deion Sanders was one of the best if not the best cover CB in college as was Darrelle Revis and neither got close to a Hesiman. The Honey Badger got close because he also scored a number of defensive a TDs, and was a special teams threat. 2000-2015 say the spread offense dominate and hence us seeing so many QBs win the heisman. And if it wasn't for Ingram and Henry dominating carries on the best team, they wouldn't have won.
Keep making up shit in your mind to refute reality. If you can't comprehend what "cyclical" means, just quit posting.

So what we've seen are a change in the CFB schemes more than anything. And no, a DL or any lineman won't be winning the Heisman anytime soon if ever which is back to the original point.
Tell me where I, or anyone else, said Bosa would win. We said he could be a serious candidate. The fact that two lineman in the past have been runners-up proves that a lineman can be a candidate.
 
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Keep making up [Mark May] in your mind to refute reality. If you can't comprehend what "cyclical" means, just quit posting.


Tell me where I, or anyone else, said Bosa would win. We said he could be a serious candidate. The fact that two lineman in the past have been runners-up proves that a lineman can be a candidate.
Once again you love to read your own posts and always try and be right. Super Mili, the last lineman to be a "serious" candidate was 20yrs ago. Happy?! And how many have been since? Yet again the only person making shit up because you hate to be wrong is you! Using QBs and skill position players to back up your argument because it's full of holes is classic Mili, at least you're consistent. Lineman are hardly serious contenders anymore And haven't been in 20yrs(which you mentioned, happy I admitted your point), and it'll take a miracle for any to be. Clowney and Bosa both had monster underclassmen years and didn't sniff Heisman consideration. Suh and Pace, 2 lineman in 20yrs have finished in the top 5. That's what's called an anamoly/exception, if you don't know what that means than quit posting
 
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Once again you love to read your own posts and always try and be right. Super Mili, the last lineman to be a "serious" candidate was 20yrs ago. Happy?! And how many have been since? Yet again the only person making [Mark May] up because you hate to be wrong is you! Using QBs and skill position players to back up your argument because it's full of holes is classic Mili, at least you're consistent. Lineman are hardly serious contenders anymore And haven't been in 20yrs(which you mentioned, happy I admitted your point), and it'll take a miracle for any to be. Clowney and Bosa both had monster underclassmen years and didn't sniff Heisman consideration. Suh and Pace, 2 lineman in 20yrs have finished in the top 5. That's what's called an anamoly/exception, if you don't know what that means than quit posting
Clowney finished 6th in Heisman voting in his sophomore year (2012), and started the 2013 as an actual Heisman front-runner. He was sick his first game (only had three tackles), had other minor injuries afterwards which hampered his production, and also sat out two games, so he was essentially out of the running. Also, Manti Te'o finished second in voting in 2012 as a LB. So, had Bosa remained for his senior season, a big year could very well have made him a serious Heisman candidate, whether or not you want to admit it.
 
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Clowney finished 6th in Heisman voting in his sophomore year (2012), and started the 2013 as an actual Heisman front-runner. He was sick his first game (only had three tackles), had other minor injuries afterwards which hampered his production, and also sat out two games, so he was essentially out of the running. Also, Manti Te'o finished second in voting in 2012 as a LB. So, had Bosa remained for his senior season, a big year could very well have made him a serious Heisman candidate, whether or not you want to admit it.
So now you're making excuses about Clowney, making what if scenarios for Bosa and including non lineman to try and prove your "point"... Classic Mili argument, trying to skew facts to make your argument. Because at the end, everyone knows that you still have made made a terrible argument. You've given now 3 non offensive players(I felt bad for you and gave you Suh so you can better about yourself, so actually you've named 2) in 20 years. Like I said, thats called an ANAMOLY/EXCEPTION, if you don't know what that means for your own sake just atop posting:lol:
 
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A page and a half of arguing whether Bosa *might* have been a Heisman candidate (probably top 10, but not serious consideration) *if* he came back (no chance).

Definitely the offseason.
No its just Mili being Mili having the need to always be right even when he isn't... Hope to get this thread back to Bosa sometime soon8D
 
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The only other guy I've seen that was dominant as Bosa (and was himself an overall#1) was Wilkinson.

Big Daddy had about 1/10th of Bosa's motor/dedication/work ethic and I think I am being kind.

If you were drafting an all time OSU team and didn't start with Bosa who would you take?
 
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