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I'd like to thank the Lord Jesus...

Discussion in 'Professional Football' started by vrbryant, Apr 20, 2004.

  1. Clarity

    Clarity Will Bryant Staff Member

    Speaking ones mind, and provoking conversation and debate in a sometimes caustic way sounds like the Nazis, but being so violently opposed to other points of view doesn't. Hmm. I'm sure he'd welcome any constructive counterpoints to themes and thoughts he's presented, instead of painting his comments with such a broad brush, perhaps you (or others) should address his apparent deficiencies.

    He has the access of a moderator in case I'm not well enough to do something around here that has to get taken care of. He actually has more access than that, as he's my brother. He is not a moderator of this, or any other forum though. His access pertains to the maintenance and upkeep areas of the site. That access was neither something he asked for, nor was it something he particularly wanted. I gave it to him as a backup plan to cover my downtime. He won't be editing threads, banning people, or dictating policy. Almost entirely because he doesn't care to.

    Does that offend you even more? How about this? The kid who downgrades blue collar workers is wrapping up his English degree so he can go off and be a fire fighter. The one who seemingly rips on Hispanics has a sister-in-law who is Colombian by birth. The one that rips on religion comes from a family with strong Catholic roots. Some people are just willing to challenge perceptions, promote deeper thinking than the norm, and sometimes just enjoy a spirited conversation for the tactical pleasure of the process. A person like this might have a background in debate, being able to take a point that even he doesn't fully believe in, and defend it with salient points and sound logic -- which invites people to reach a little deeper in their responses.

    Frankly, if vrbryant is enough to send you running back to Bucknuts, I'd sooner recommend you stop logging onto the internet entirely. There's a dangerous range of diversity in opinions and perspectives out there. Different people of different ages, ethnicities, backgrounds, cultures, intellectual capacities, humor, education ... I could go on and on. If hearing something different than your own perspectives is a problem, the best bet is to cancel your phone service, smash your television, burn your books and periodicals, close the curtains, lock the doors, and hide in your room with a shotgun pointed at the door.

    Vrbryant, as my brother, has no more or less a right on this board to speak his mind that you, buckeye1, Tibor, Mililani, or anyone else here whether they're a new user, someone who goes way back on BNuts with me, a mod, an admin, or anyone else.

    The whole point of this board is to provide a place where people can speak their minds, and other people can choose whether they want to read more of that or not. They can choose to debate, they can choose to set that user to Ignore, they can choose to visit or avoid the various forums, they can choose to visit here or not.

    This is the offseason. One would hope that during the season, the ratio of OSU football talk to general chatter and debate would shift heavily in favor of the good stuff. But either way, that's fine, this place is going to be what it's going to be.

    If you don't have at least a slightly open mind, if you can't consider things that challenge your perceptions, or if you can't go into your UserCP and set someone you don't like to ignore, then yeah, you're out of place here. Head off wherever you like, forums like these should be a good time. And if they're not for you, you're just wasting yours.
     
    Last edited: Apr 24, 2004
  2. RAMdrvr1

    RAMdrvr1 All Galaxy '14 NCAA Pick'em Champ

    I'm not sure that I understand someone thanking Jesus for seeing that someone who openly confesses his faith in the same Jesus lose their income. He same income that is given in titheing to his church, used to support missionaries, feed poor, and many other ways, as well as support his family. So many pro and college atletes today use the media to glorify God. How can yow watch sports at all, knowing that you risk hearing another Christian's testimony?

    And you don't like him because his wife sometimes runs her mouth when she shouldn't? My goodness, who's wife doesn't? If anything, you should pray FOR him, not against him.

    How many athletes in the pros are over-rated? Do you ask Jesus to get rid of all of them? Heck, whole teams would disappear!
     
  3. ashlandbuck

    ashlandbuck Banned

    Clarity

    Defend vrbryants views in any way you wish. Make whatever excuses you wish for his views. It doesn't take away from the the fact that his opinions make him out to be a sick sociopath that needs a lot of understanding and probably professional help.
    I don't have to like him, agree with, and I am too free to express my opinion of him.
    As far as he being your brother, that only goes to show me why you would be biased in my attack of his views and his psychological condition. I do not respect your feelings on this matter for that very reason.
    So what, he has a sister in law that is Hispanic? What does that have to do with the fact that he had several post that demeaned the entire Hispanic race.
    He came from a strong Catholic backround. I'm sure there have been many ill people that have come from strong religious backrounds.
    The reasons you gave and the excuses you gave for this guy does not hold water with me. They are weak excuses That mostly are not even relevant to to the comments he has made in the past.
    Personally I think much less of you for defending such dispicable views that your brothers holds.
     
    Last edited: Apr 24, 2004
  4. Clarity

    Clarity Will Bryant Staff Member

    Think of me as you will. I know the guy better than you do, I actually know the positions he holds, and I know how he thinks. You have, at best, a perception based on a few threads here. I think you've read parts of his posts, and grabbed on to specific themes and points, and just sort of blown off the rest. But I'd be lying if I told you that yours is an unexpected point of view. My last post wasn't to defend him (lol, he doesn't need or want me to do so) as much as it was to try to get you to see a bigger picture. I think you're looking at it with pretty serious blinders on. But I don't blame you for that. He's presented some points with extra emphasis for the sake of getting under some people's skins, there have been some comments he's made that I actually called him about, because I took them as poorly as others did (referencing the convo about the birth by kitchen knife thread). But, at least in that case in particular, he's gone out of his way to clean up his point, and respond to people who took issue with it.

    But you're right, lol, the whole theme here is people can do and say as they wish. I don't ask you to like or appreciate vrbryant any more than I do any other user. How you feel about him should have no bearing whatsoever on your feeling about me, the site, or anything else. I'm sorry that it does for you. But I hope you won't think me rude if I tell you I'm not going to lose sleep over that. Entirely because it's inevitable that some people aren't going to like others at all on this board.

    Do as you wish. Put both of us on ignore if you wish. Whole point of the tools is that people experience the community the way they wish, and I'd hate to think that you have to suffer the pathologies of the Bryant brothers. :wink:

     
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  5. tibor75

    tibor75 Banned

    Oh my goodness! Brother Jed on Buckeye Planet!

    [​IMG]
     
  6. LoKyBuckeye

    LoKyBuckeye I give up. This board is too hard to understand. Staff Member

    I knew that the arcade was rigged... is that why he has a lot of the trophy's? :wink: :lol:
     
  7. BuckNutty

    BuckNutty Hear The Drummer Get Wicked Staff Member Bookie


    Mystery solved. Nice work, LoKy :lol:
     
  8. tibor75

    tibor75 Banned

    hmm.. actually I always assumed Charity and Bryant were the same person..since Charity's last name was bryant.

    Speaking of this, RogerMoore is having access issues...
     
  9. Clarity

    Clarity Will Bryant Staff Member

    I think a number of people assumed that. I'm marginally less sociopathic though.

    Access to the site issues?
     
  10. vrbryant

    vrbryant Ever thus to ____ers Staff Member

    Damn, foiled again! :mad1:

    ___
    I was being ironic. I don't, in actuality, revere Jesus as a god. Also, it was never his faith that turned my stomach, it was the constant name-dropping. If a man of any other faith brought his up as often as Warner did/does, my gut would wrench just as much.

    ___
    Clarity pretty much summed the whole thing up. Your likening me to a Nazi is...well - it's just ignorant. I won't deny that some of the things I've said were acidic and meant specifically to agitate, and my sense of humor is not suitable to most people's palates. Nonetheless, I'm neither a sociopath (not clinically, anyway) nor a Nazi. I also don't 'enjoy' downgrading anyone, or basking in their misery. I will, on the other hand, express my opinion on a subject that piques my interest - no matter how unpopular it may be - without batting a single eyelash. I'm not out to alienate people, but I'm not out to win anyone over, either. If you happen to be a Christian Mexican who just had a miscarriage, then you've every right to be offended by me. Hell, you've every right to be offended whoever you are. That will not, however, deter me from being honest and candid if/when I choose to engage in a discussion on this board. All I can say is that I'm sorry you feel that way, and I hope my views alone aren't enough to drive you away from this fantastic public forum. In closing, I'll just quote my brother.

    ___
     
  11. ashlandbuck

    ashlandbuck Banned

    Clarity

    You may call my view narrow minded or believe that I have blinders on. So be it. For me it comes down to my intolerance for racism and bigotry. If my intolerance for this means I have binders on then I will wear those binders proudly. Being open and tolerant to all points of view is not virtuous.
    Your brothers statements were racist in that he made generalizations about the entire Hispanic race based mostly on his own personal experiences.
    If the feelings that he has so freely expressed are real or if he is simply posting to flame and to get under people skin, he is still sociopathic.

    Bryant

    speaking of ignorance, posting to flame or posting because you truly feel that way is in either case, sociopathic.
     
  12. BuckNutty

    BuckNutty Hear The Drummer Get Wicked Staff Member Bookie

    My friend Josefina just called me from the hospital and she thinks you're a muy grande jerk. :tongue2:

    I really don't get it. They are just words. You can choose to read what vrbryant has to say or not. If you don't like it here there are plenty of other sites on the net to talk about the Buckeyes and anything else you're interested in. Why continue to harp on it? With all due respect, if someone here offended me like you claim vrbryant and Clarity have I personally would find another message board. I also wouldn't anger a sociopath that could see my IP address. :susp:
     
  13. Clarity

    Clarity Will Bryant Staff Member

    I just know he's not really as racist or bigoted as you think, even if some of the things he's said sounds that way. I also find it interesting that almost no one caught on that he made statements like that in the face of seemingly gross misogyny (on the part of others) in some other threads. I wonder if maybe the point behind the point had something to do with the propensity for Americans (in particular) to normalize some bigotry and be outraged by others? Maybe things can be sometimes said for the sake of demonstrating people's duality, even if people don't get it. Or perhaps he just hates Mexicans. I bet had he used another M word, let's say 'Muslims', you wouldn't have been nearly as outraged. No, I almost guarantee it.

    Flamers post to outrage just for the sake of outrage. They won't stick around and discuss the issues at hand. He does that, so he's not a flamer. Calling him a sociopath is more fair, but isn't really a problem. Calling him a Nazi, well that's just sort of silly, particularly as closemindedness is a much more significant (--edit-- 'unique' might be a better word there, in the sense that I mean it) calling card of theirs than hatred. Hatred and intolerance is universal. Everyone hates and is bigoted. You too, that you're intolerant isn't something that can even be debated. You've made assumptions about Vince, and talk about it with a level of vitriol that suggests that your issues have to go well beyond a couple posts. You are violently convinced that your position and opinion are absolute truths. I mean, I'm not trying to be offensive here, but that is, by definition, hate and bigotry. That it's hate and bigotry of what you perceive to be hate and bigotry, lol, I don't think that really makes a difference even though others probably do (more duality). We're all capable of it. I think that's one of the main points here. We all hate, we're all bigoted in different ways, we're all intolerant. I think the people who know this, are willing to understand that they are, and are willing and able to try and be better than that, are the ones that are a little more evolved in that arena.

    Anyway, lol, look, I not just ragging on you here. I'm just discussing my take on the issues. I don't need you to agree. I *definitely* don't need you to understand or appreciate Vince. He doesn't make it easy, I think he's done more to build a negative reputation than he has a positive. But I think anyone who bothers to read the whole of his posts, and not just the sensational parts that are designed to satiate people's overwhelming desire to be outraged, will see that there's something beneath the surface there.

    If you knew Vince, you would think differently than you do currently. I don't expect you (or anyone else) to appreciate that. Just suggesting that the issues might not be as black and white and you feel. It's between you and him though, I intend to bow out of the portion of the convo that pertains to your specific issues with him. I'll limit myself to issues you have with me, and/or BP. If you want to put him on ignore, that's why it's there. If you want to do the same to me, you can there as well. Really. Or if you need to find greener pastures elsewhere, that's cool too.


     
    Last edited: Apr 24, 2004
  14. ashlandbuck

    ashlandbuck Banned

    Believing that my beliefs are absolute truths equals hate?
    Ok Clarity.
    This is getting goofy now. You defense of his racist views is making you look like a moron as well.
     
  15. Clarity

    Clarity Will Bryant Staff Member

    No, that's the intolerance part. The level of venom you have on the issue represents the hate.

    'Moron' speaks directly to intelligence, that's an area you don't want to wander into with either one of us. But I'm not looking to embarrass you here. There's no reason why this shouldn't be civil, perhaps even enjoyable. We can disagree, and I often enjoy the process with different people, but there's no point in trying to degrade it to something banal. If you're looking for that, the other site you mentioned may really be more appealing for you.
     

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