Buckeyeskickbuttocks said:
Ironton - Your theory is one of the most ridiculous notions I've ever had the misfortune of contemplating. You don't understand why Tressel and Gieger would dispute the allegations because if they were "guilty" they'd just retire?
Name one former coach who had the NCAA come calling who just threw up his hands, said "Well, you got me" (even before the investigation uncovered anything) and retired. One. That's all I ask. I mean that dipstick down at Baylor - Bliss.... He didn't just say, well fuck.. No, he:
"was proud of his squeaky-clean reputation at Baylor, and he wanted to keep it that way. So, rather than fess up to the infractions, Bliss concocted a story that Dennehy got his money from selling drugs, rather than from Bliss himself. The coach even tried to get his players and coaches to go along with the tale."
In other words, Bliss didn't just say "Well fuck, you got me" the instant allegations were made. He fought them, and even made up a story about a dead kid in an effort to keep his job.
Bliss ultimately did resign, "thanks to one of Bliss's assistants who taped several conversations. Bliss resigned before the tapes were made public, after a Baylor committee had discovered the wrongdoings anyway."
I guess no one has JT or AG on tape? You see what I'm getting at? People fight allegations made against them as long as they can. This isn't too surprising. And it has little to do with being men of strong charecter or whatever the hell your reasoning was. It has to do with keeping your friggin job as long as you can.
kickbuttocks --
What you are trying to show I believe is that Ironton's theory is a syllogism and a badly flawed one at that when stated thus "They say they are innocent, ergo they cannot be at fault, ergo they are innocent." Certainly such a stance by the Head Coach or AD, in and of itself, offers no proof either positive or negative, for or against the truth of the matter.
However, tossing the putrid example of Bliss at Baylor into this is really extreme - and irrelevant. Bliss's actions were simply criminal and immoral in any simple definition of either term. Bliss's actions had nothing to do with ignorance of the matter for he put himself squarely in the center of the entire tragic affair through his attempts to manipulate the players, what they said and in trying to alibi himself by slandering the deceased.
In the case of tOSU what you actually have is the AD coming out strongly against the first round of accusations made by MoC and others, and taking a firm position decrying the general slant ESPN has adopted post the intitial publication of the same. Notably, within the same press conferences in which Geiger took ESPN to task, this same AD is on record saying come NCAA - come investigate, we welcome that. That's not like Bliss at all. Moreoever, the combination of the strong, vehement stance Geiger adopted and the simultaneous invite to the NCAA (which they have already taken up) is in my opinion unparalleled. Geiger is a smart fellow, I do not believe he arrives at this positive position lightly. Remember Geiger effectively went ahead of the NCAA by firing the head Basketball coach O'Brien. His present stance then is very striking.
Now how does JT's stance in this compare to Bliss's - night and day IMHO. His response is very much the same that any coach might take when faced with this type of situation. He is waiting now for the NCAA to complete its work, in large part for the second time. JT is not taking an NCAA can go screw themselves stance - - which is what Bliss effectively did.
Finally, do any of the revelations from prior players, or positions adopted by the AD and Head Coach mean that the NCAA will find zero reason to take any kind of action - no, of course not. However, to this point neither does it mean the NCAA is destined to give tOSU any type of punishment (from light to a true reaming).
This is going to take many weeks/months to sort itself out. Only then will we know what the investigating committee believes is true or untrue, and the quantity and type of actions tOSU will have to take.
I wonder if they graduated.
