DiHard said:
Nothing. It has nothing to do with whether he's culpable and neither does this thread. My post has to do with my responding to Ironton's personal attack on me, after my attack on his theory. I hardly see how it is your concern. This thread isn't about if JT and/or AG is/are culpable or guilty, it's about Ironton's contention that they are not because they have character and aren't acting like "guilty" men. I've been arguing that this character issue proves nothing and that guilty men act the same way as JT and AG have been. Now, I have not been saying that neither AG or JT has character, I've been saying that if they are bad guys, then they are merely doing what bad guys do in these situations - i.e. play strong and confident in front of the press. It is my opinion, which you can read in the post I made to Ironton which you quoted, that both JT and AG both have very good character. It's the rationale of the original post which I'm objecting to, not the conclusion.sandgk said:
I have no idea what that's supposed to mean in light of the language you quoted. Speak for myself? Who the hell else do you think I'm speaking for? Did I say I represent the lollipop guild or something? Apparently you don't want to see the point I was trying to make to you which was, 1. I am not comparing and contrasting Bliss to Tressell and 2. to make a comment on human nature as I believe it to exist generally - whether or not any one of us was "raised better" individually.sandgk said:
True enough this thread does spring from Ironton's thesis that the posture of JT and Andy Geiger is not typical of the reaction of coaches or AD's facing an NCAA investigation. Frankly - of the two I think it is AD Geiger's stance which is the most forceful. If I wasn't clear in my 2nd most response to this let me restate thus: I agree with you that this stance cannot be taken in and of itself that there is nothing at tOSU with which the NCAA may take issue. Like you I believe AG and JT are men of fudamentally sound character. That is why I took of on the whole Bliss thing being irrelevant. Where I do agree with Ironton is that such a stance by AG is rare -- if not unique -- especially given a precept that AG is a man of fudamentally sound character. Frankly, I don't believe JT is taking anything other than the more typical posture of waiting and seeing what the NCAA investigation brings forth.
I guess Buckeyeskickbuttocks that I was surprised by these words in what you wrote. Mostly because I cannot conceive of being thus cornered and blithely lying in a pretty futile atempt to save my ass. And given your more recent statements I feel that anyone who doesn't cheat, or doesn't like to cheat because they don't like the feeling of hiding an unpleasant truth is in fact pre-disposed to come clean under such clean cut circumstances. Maybe you are short-changing yourself?
