stowfan
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I hate to say it, but this NFL draft that just finished up, didn't damage SEC recruiting:(
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even the NFL Network is on the nuts of the SEC. "SEC speed" was mentioned at least 100 times today alone.
Even on today's local Kansas City radio they were interviewing Eric Fisher the #1 draft pick out of CMU. He mentioned how he wasn't too worried about not played against teams from the SEC or Big12, that he would outwork everyone to get where he needed to go.
The BigTen's reputation is truly in the dumps right now. Even the BigEast is talking smack on us. It maddens me to think how Minnesota dumped a successful coach in Mason. Iowa overpaid Ferentz big time and he's basically given up recruiting. Purdue hadn't been able to get out of its own way....and literally ignored calls from Sumlin to come coach there.
This conference is so weak that I'm not sure it's going to recover anytime soon. I guess as long as OSU is winning it really shouldn't matter. But eventually the $ will decline as the on-field product will suck so badly that networks won't pay to broadcast it.
Even on today's local Kansas City radio they were interviewing Eric Fisher the #1 draft pick out of CMU. He mentioned how he wasn't too worried about not played against teams from the SEC or Big12, that he would outwork everyone to get where he needed to go.
The BigTen's reputation is truly in the dumps right now. Even the BigEast is talking smack on us. It maddens me to think how Minnesota dumped a successful coach in Mason. Iowa overpaid Ferentz big time and he's basically given up recruiting. Purdue hadn't been able to get out of its own way....and literally ignored calls from Sumlin to come coach there.
This conference is so weak that I'm not sure it's going to recover anytime soon. I guess as long as OSU is winning it really shouldn't matter. But eventually the $ will decline as the on-field product will suck so badly that networks won't pay to broadcast it.
stowfan;2332712; said:
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The big ten has a big two problem. When those are fixed the rest of the noise will lose its gusto but certainly not disappear.
It also has a multi billion dollar problem with the money espn lost and will drive home incessantly until the end of time. The acc is terrible but you will never hear espn trash them. Same with Oklahoma and their much worse run in bcs games compared to osu.
It also has a multi billion dollar problem with the money espn lost and will drive home incessantly until the end of time. The acc is terrible but you will never hear espn trash them. Same with Oklahoma and their much worse run in bcs games compared to osu.
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I want the Big Ten to get better obviously but I don't see it happening anytime soon. In the meantime, we need to get a stronger non-conference schedule and not have any letdowns in the conference...even if the Big Ten is awful, this is a recipe for multiple national championship appearances under UFM and at that point, we just have to be better than the team we play that one night. Great records, along with UFM & Co. and the reputation of OSU in general, will leave me with no worries about recruiting and competing with the SEC until our conference gets its act together.
All that being said, what happened today in the draft just does not surprise me. I love our Buckeyes but there were desire/conditioning issues with Hankins, tangible measurement concerns with Simon, Fragel is still learning the position (still shocked how far he fell though), Boren is great but FB is not a position normally drafted, Stoney had an off year/was not utilized, Howard was a solid player here but nothing to write home about, Nathan Williams was injured a ton and didn't quite recover all the way for his senior campaign imo, and the light had just clicked for Sabino and he was outshined by Shazier. Next year will be a different story in all likelihood. Shazier has 1st rounder written all over him if he leaves early, Roby is a 1st rounder for sure and perhaps a Top 10 pick, all of our senior OL can work themselves into mid-round picks and Mewhort could potentially sniff the 1st-2nd round, Hyde will be drafted it's just a matter of where at depending on this season, and I wouldn't rule out Philly getting drafted with another good year.
All that being said, what happened today in the draft just does not surprise me. I love our Buckeyes but there were desire/conditioning issues with Hankins, tangible measurement concerns with Simon, Fragel is still learning the position (still shocked how far he fell though), Boren is great but FB is not a position normally drafted, Stoney had an off year/was not utilized, Howard was a solid player here but nothing to write home about, Nathan Williams was injured a ton and didn't quite recover all the way for his senior campaign imo, and the light had just clicked for Sabino and he was outshined by Shazier. Next year will be a different story in all likelihood. Shazier has 1st rounder written all over him if he leaves early, Roby is a 1st rounder for sure and perhaps a Top 10 pick, all of our senior OL can work themselves into mid-round picks and Mewhort could potentially sniff the 1st-2nd round, Hyde will be drafted it's just a matter of where at depending on this season, and I wouldn't rule out Philly getting drafted with another good year.
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the core states of the B1G are falling further and further behind the SEC, ACC, Texas, and the Pac12. That is fact. Add in other "demographic factors" and the future doesn't look so bright for the B1G when compared to other conferences. Of course this stuff isn't like a light switch, but it is a definite trend.
I'd take the future quality of football at Rutgers and Maryland over that of the lower HALF of the B1G. You may call it dilution, but Rutgers is instantly a top 4 or 5 program and Maryland has the potential to be an upper half program in 2 or 3 years and a top 5 B1G program perennially.
As each year goes by, Nebraska looks more and more like Iowa...and that isn't all that good
I'd take the future quality of football at Rutgers and Maryland over that of the lower HALF of the B1G. You may call it dilution, but Rutgers is instantly a top 4 or 5 program and Maryland has the potential to be an upper half program in 2 or 3 years and a top 5 B1G program perennially.
As each year goes by, Nebraska looks more and more like Iowa...and that isn't all that good
shiznit7;2332779; said:
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I think saying that my post said cable companies were going to cancel the BTN is totally freaking out
I think it's rather obvious that the B1G's negotiating leverage at the upcoming broadcasting rights contract is in dire need of one or two or a combo of things:
1. greater market potential size.....adding major Atlantic markets is aimed at this
2. greater demand in general for the product...pulling the NC run away from the SEC is the only thing that can solve that problem right now
so far, #1 is getting better but not getting teams into Va, NC, GA, or FL definitely hurts the cause in this respect
so far, #2 shows signs of hope as well but definitely not a given
I think it's rather obvious that the B1G's negotiating leverage at the upcoming broadcasting rights contract is in dire need of one or two or a combo of things:
1. greater market potential size.....adding major Atlantic markets is aimed at this
2. greater demand in general for the product...pulling the NC run away from the SEC is the only thing that can solve that problem right now
so far, #1 is getting better but not getting teams into Va, NC, GA, or FL definitely hurts the cause in this respect
so far, #2 shows signs of hope as well but definitely not a given
BUCKYLE;2332759; said:
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I'm sorry, did you just claim that the big ten is falling behind the acc and then have the audacity to declare that whopper a fact?
There is a reason that league has so many of its national broadcasts on Thursday nights, has tiny stadiums that they struggle to fill. The worst rated bcs games are dominated by the acc's involvement.
Then there is the matter of their overwhelming mediocrity as a league which doesn't get mocked endlessly because they are still deep in bed with espn. When was the last time FSU was taken to task for their constant underachieving? Or how Tressel and his band of slow footed northerners destroyed the Miami program and turned it into a very poor man's Florida state? Even Virginia Tech hasn't been very consistent in awhile.
Clemson has had a very brief run, one year of which involved not getting smoked in their bowl, and there are major questions whether it continues after Boyd and morris move on this off season.
If the acc were in the big tens shoes they would get mocked and trashed endlessly for their failures on the field, for their lousy ratings, attendance and overall power at the top. Instead they get a complete pass.
I also have no idea why Texas is its own category independent of the still very volatile and unstable big 12, which also has major underachieving issues on the field that contractually are not mentioned.
Considering that the mighty Nits couldn't manage to win more titles than northwestern or produce talent better than purdue, there is no way I am giving Maryland the benefit of the doubt, especially when considering that MD has frequently been PsU's home base for recruiting far more than pa. Then there is rutgers who couldn't escape mediocrity in the big East despite a major influx of talent and coaching. Could both develop into something? Sure, but I see little evidence to show that it is easy. PSU and Nebraska are far better suited to be top 5 programs and yet PSU has spent many years missing that mark and nebraska is teetering on the edge as the fifth best program, a status they probably lose when PSU escapes this sanctions.
As for this mighty pac 12 it has frequently been a 2 team conference and will possibly return to that as the sanctions hit Oregon. Then there is the matter of the illinois esque mediocrity of most of the other pac programs and the huge dropoff in TV ratings and regional interest in college football, let alone basketball, compared to the big ten.
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BUCKYLE
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DaveyBoy;2332787; said:
Forgive my grevious folly. You said something far more ridiculous. You said networks wouldn't pay for B1G games.
How in the hell was the B1G on TV for 34 years in between NC's, both of which were won by a single team? Also, most of the B1G has sucked hard for the last fifteen years. According to you, I should expect the upcoming TV deal to be worth far less than the sec, correct?
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Semantics. You said they were going to stop paying for it, which just isn't supportable by the numbers.
The big ten was ripped endlessly in the late 00s after osu spit the bit vs uf, Lsu, TX and Usc (obviously to varying degrees). This was compounded by the glorious bill martin remaking the winningest program into west Virginia north for awhile and PSU continuing to be dragged down by a dying coach.
Yet the revenue streams kept shooting up. When acc or pac teams lose, their fan bases and especially the state at large start ignoring them and doing other things. When Iowa is average for the millionth year, the entire state still watches. When Michigan stinks, the whole Midwest still watches, some for schadenfreude. When Miami is average, they fill up 1/8th of their stadium and espn has to put them on Thursday nights to not waste most of their prime TV slots.
There is a reason espn has been so active and vindictive in their treatment of the big ten. They lost many tens of billions of future revenue when they gambled and told Delaney to go make his own network, especially with the likelihood of moving to fox and or other networks for the rest.
The big ten gets beaten up for its failures, but the transparent dichotomy of how osu/Michigan failures and scandals are treated vs Big Game Bob at oklahoma or the Florida failures in the acc is a direct byproduct of the departure in TV revenue. It isn't a coincidence that they worshipped at the feet of the big ten worse than any fanboi in 06 and then became a permanent troll a year later when the BTN launched.
They are not in dire need of either of those things, unless you consider it dire to expand their upcoming revenue stream from $35-40 million a school to an even more ridiculous 50-60.
They are going to make crazy money from fox to add to their already lucrative and ever growing BTN revenue. It would just go from crazy to super crazy if they added Atlanta, Florida, Notre Dame, Austin, etc.
The big ten was ripped endlessly in the late 00s after osu spit the bit vs uf, Lsu, TX and Usc (obviously to varying degrees). This was compounded by the glorious bill martin remaking the winningest program into west Virginia north for awhile and PSU continuing to be dragged down by a dying coach.
Yet the revenue streams kept shooting up. When acc or pac teams lose, their fan bases and especially the state at large start ignoring them and doing other things. When Iowa is average for the millionth year, the entire state still watches. When Michigan stinks, the whole Midwest still watches, some for schadenfreude. When Miami is average, they fill up 1/8th of their stadium and espn has to put them on Thursday nights to not waste most of their prime TV slots.
There is a reason espn has been so active and vindictive in their treatment of the big ten. They lost many tens of billions of future revenue when they gambled and told Delaney to go make his own network, especially with the likelihood of moving to fox and or other networks for the rest.
The big ten gets beaten up for its failures, but the transparent dichotomy of how osu/Michigan failures and scandals are treated vs Big Game Bob at oklahoma or the Florida failures in the acc is a direct byproduct of the departure in TV revenue. It isn't a coincidence that they worshipped at the feet of the big ten worse than any fanboi in 06 and then became a permanent troll a year later when the BTN launched.
They are not in dire need of either of those things, unless you consider it dire to expand their upcoming revenue stream from $35-40 million a school to an even more ridiculous 50-60.
They are going to make crazy money from fox to add to their already lucrative and ever growing BTN revenue. It would just go from crazy to super crazy if they added Atlanta, Florida, Notre Dame, Austin, etc.
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Buckeye737
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jwinslow;2332817; said:
I think you summed it up with this. I don't see this changing anytime soon either.
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matcar
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Buckeye737;2332825; said:
I can't imagine a situation where the B1G isn't a cash cow. The only question is whether this ever translates to a better investment in coaching and he things that could enable greater competitiveness against the premier football programs. I'm not sure how much it will matter if, as JWins suggests, TTUN and tOSU both are strong, but it seems to matter to fans who yearn for conference respect.
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