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Is the end near? Will the BTN stop being carried by cable?

Things have changed a lot in 34 years. Things are going to change a lot over the next few years.

At some point, the B1G is going to have to "man up". That may consist of 1 or 2 teams dominating thoroughly and winning a NC or two over the next 5 years. Perhaps not.


As long as over signing keeps the B1G at a disadvantage, what you saw yesterday in the draft won't change. That will affect the product on the field in the eyes of viewers, I'm afraid.

It's not a given that the next contract is going to be a bonanza for the B1G unless something drastically changes on New Years/Bowl day. T the rest of the country, the B1G is a joke and yesterday was one more validation of this.



BUCKYLE;2332815; said:
Forgive my grevious folly. You said something far more ridiculous. You said networks wouldn't pay for B1G games. :lol: How in the hell was the B1G on TV for 34 years in between NC's, both of which were won by a single team? Also, most of the B1G has sucked hard for the last fifteen years. According to you, I should expect the upcoming TV deal to be worth far less than the sec, correct?
 
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matcar;2332839; said:
I can't imagine a situation where the B1G isn't a cash cow. The only question is whether this ever translates to a better investment in coaching and he things that could enable greater competitiveness against the premier football programs. I'm not sure how much it will matter if, as JWins suggests, TTUN and tOSU both are strong, but it seems to matter to fans who yearn for conference respect.

It would be great to see a rule where a certain percentage of BTN money has to be invested back into the AD's. I mean if tOSU and TSUN are going to carry these teams, the least they can do is make our schedule not suck as bad.
 
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BUCKYLE;2332847; said:
It would be great to see a rule where a certain percentage of BTN money has to be invested back into the AD's. I mean if tOSU and TSUN are going to carry these teams, the least they can do is make our schedule not suck as bad.

I agree whole heartedly.

I took a look at an ESPN (forgive me) database that lists NFL players by college. If the data is at all reliable, the numbers are pretty sobering.

Minnesota: 6
Indiana: 7

For comparison:

Idaho: 6
Delaware: 6
Abilene Christian: 6
Richmond: 6
Hampton: 7
Rice: 7
West Texas A&M: 7 (You, know that storied program in Canyon, TX)
Portland State: 7
William & Mary: 8
Cal: 8 (not Cal Berkeley, Cal PA)

MAC schools: NIU: 7; Ohio: 7; Kent St 8; Western Mich 9;

Forget competing with the likes of Montana (10) or UMass (10)
 
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DaveyBoy;2332842; said:
Things have changed a lot in 34 years. Things are going to change a lot over the next few years.

At some point, the B1G is going to have to "man up". That may consist of 1 or 2 teams dominating thoroughly and winning a NC or two over the next 5 years. Perhaps not.


As long as over signing keeps the B1G at a disadvantage, what you saw yesterday in the draft won't change. That will affect the product on the field in the eyes of viewers, I'm afraid.

It's not a given that the next contract is going to be a bonanza for the B1G unless something drastically changes on New Years/Bowl day. T the rest of the country, the B1G is a joke and yesterday was one more validation of this.

There is a giant gulf between the sec and everyone else. At what point does that sobering truth earn them a spot in the doomsday prediction line?

Or are you noticing the lucrative deals that 3rd and 4th place power conferences are getting from networks despite their on field struggles and lack of ratings?


The pac 12 is a pretty weak conference and embarrassingly so at some stops like ucla or relatively speaking, at Usc since Pete left. But when Usc was dominant, or Oregon and stanford filled their void, people didn't care that ucla was an inexcusable waste of space.

Outside of this very unusual sec era, many of the powerhouses emerged from average to terrible leagues. FSU and Miami used to run the cfb world from terrible leagues. Since joining more balanced ones they have slid into mediocrity. Same with Usc and the pac 12.

If osu and Michigan return to glory and get back to churning out prospects at their usual rate, they will stack up just fine with the majority of CFB. They will still be dwarfed by the sec but so is everyone else. The majority of the problem is perception. If the big two start cracking skulls in January, the rest will take care of itself.

And that will be a bonus on top ( not the cause) of the huge revenue flowing into the league
 
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BUCKYLE;2332847; said:
It would be great to see a rule where a certain percentage of BTN money has to be invested back into the AD's. I mean if tOSU and TSUN are going to carry these teams, the least they can do is make our schedule not suck as bad.
It would be nice to see a percentage of the revenue be a reward but it would hard to set that up fairly. It is ridiculous how lackluster many schools are about coaching and recruiting budgets and efforts.

Some schools like Minnesota are in an absolute wasteland with less recruits per capita than alaska, but it is embarrassing to see how weak schools like Michigan state are. Kentucky is just obliterating the rest of the league on the recruiting trail.
 
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MaxBuck;2332853; said:
Not sure what all this argument has to do with "Recruiting Tidbits." Maybe I'm just dense.

Only loosely related at first, now not related whatsoever. Good convo but it needs split. The only real point was how the SEC drafting so many players is just a further disadvantage to the Big Ten. Back to that topic, I think that Ohio State and scUM are going to be lights out recruiting nationally every year because of their tradition, regardless of how the Big Ten looks. But as to the rest of the Big Ten:

- scUM: I love/hate to say it but I think Hoke will continue to do well. We need scUM for a strong Big Ten and I want a competitive rivalry. Not to mention, I completely trust that regardless of what happens on the recruiting trail, UFM is going to beat him with whoever we have. He is putting together the pieces for a very good dynasty, especially at OL, but there needs to be more focus on the impact players at skilled positions. Also, they get the better Midwest players but I think they are going to need to go into SEC country, TX, and CA a little more than they are. Regardless, they will be fine.

- PSU will be right behind those two when they are off probation, I was VERY impressed what O'Brien accomplished given his circumstances. Not sure what the classes will look like moving forward but holding on to Brenneman, Hackenburg, etc. was a coup. Personally I think Hackenburg was the best pro style QB in the country last year.

- Michigan St: Pretty pathetic efforts lately. If Dantonio keeps whining about recruiting nationally and making hires like Jim Bollman, he is going to be out the door quick. He is perfectly content staying in the Midwest and is getting beat at his own game there at that...picking up scraps in the Midwest and getting beat out by Northwestern, Indiana, etc. frequently is not acceptable.

- Northwestern has stepped things up a bit under Fitzgerald and he has impressed me with the recruits he is bringing in...he is doing well in the Midwest but also going to TX, FL, CA, NJ, etc. and getting guys that most of the Big Ten aren't even trying to get.

- Nebraska: They always recruit TX and CA pretty well so if they can keep it up, they will prove to be competitive in the Big Ten and nationally. Now they have a bit of a pipeline in the Midwest with the conference connection and even managed to dip into LA, GA, and FL some the last few last years.

-Iowa is embarrassing under Ferentz and he needs to go if he is just going to give up recruiting nationally. They used to do well in TX and can't even get their foot in the door now.

- Wisconsin always gets by recruiting mostly local under Bielema and Alvaraez but can they under Anderson, or will he take a national approach moving forward? He is off to a good start locally but I think Wisconsin has a good enough brand name to go get some national guys, especially at RB.

- Indiana got off to a running start and was the biggest surprise to me. I always thought they would be a bottom feeder but they fielded a decent team last year and put together a FANTASTIC class last year. Kept Latham, Kenney, and Allen (all four stars with national offers) in state, then went out and then cleaned up in GA and FL. I'm talking guys the SEC went after hard...had four Rivals250 guys and five four stars, plus lots of 3 stars with solid offer lists. It will be interesting to see if they can keep up that pace.

- Minnesota: Dismal performances and while I don't see them getting better much sooner, their last two recruiting classes have been heavy on FL, GA, TX, and other recruiting hot beds. At least they are trying.

- Illinois: They better hope Bailey can put the team on his back and bring back some prominence because they are getting embarrassed on and off the field right now. Their talent-rich state is getting raided and they are fighting for scraps in the Midwest. Their FL connection is dying off and despite having 4 NFL selections on their team, they didn't come close to winning a single Big Ten, lost to LA Tech and got drubbed by ASU, and won 2 games against patsies.

- Purdue: I think Hazell is going to turn it around there. This year will likely be rough, as they literally lost their entire starting offense and all 3 QBs, plus most of their defense. However, Etling could be a star at QB and their last recruiting class wasn't awful. Hazell has connections he should capitalize on in FL and in the south. They hit FL and GA very hard last year and should continue to do so.
 
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RB07OSU;2332889; said:
- Michigan St: Pretty pathetic efforts lately. If Dantonio keeps whining about recruiting nationally and making hires like Jim Bollman, he is going to be out the door quick. He is perfectly content staying in the Midwest and is getting beat at his own game there at that...picking up scraps in the Midwest and getting beat out by Northwestern, Indiana, etc. frequently is not acceptable.

- Illinois: They better hope Bailey can put the team on his back and bring back some prominence because they are getting embarrassed on and off the field right now. Their talent-rich state is getting raided and they are fighting for scraps in the Midwest. Their FL connection is dying off and despite having 4 NFL selections on their team, they didn't come close to winning a single Big Ten, lost to LA Tech and got drubbed by ASU, and won 2 games against patsies.

- Purdue: I think Hazell is going to turn it around there. This year will likely be rough, as they literally lost their entire starting offense and all 3 QBs, plus most of their defense. However, Etling could be a star at QB and their last recruiting class wasn't awful. Hazell has connections he should capitalize on in FL and in the south. They hit FL and GA very hard last year and should continue to do so.

These three should be worried about what Stoops is doing in Ohio right now. These guys often get the 2nd tier Ohio players who are still very good. But Stoops has 5 commits so far this year, all from Ohio.

I am a bit surprised Hazell hasn't been able to pick up a few Ohioans yet. He has the connections. I think he is on many people's radar as a possible successor to UM.
 
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DiamondBuck;2332870; said:
Your contribution provides roughly the same quantity of "Recruiting Tibit" info as the posts around it....
You're absolutely right. Which was kind of my point.

It's been a long time since any other B1G school consistently recruited at a level remotely approaching Michigan and Ohio State, with Penn State, MSU and Wisconsin sometimes getting at least in the same neighborhood. The sanctions seem likely to cripple the Nits for the foreseeable future, and it's hard to tell how Gary Andersen is going to do bringing talent into Madison. The difference we are seeing now is that the Buckeyes and Wolverines have raised their games to become more competitive with the SEC, and everyone else is, at best, treading water. Or so it seems to me, at any rate.
 
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I don't care that the B1G is down. Ohio State will be just fine. We win our games and we're in the NCG/Playoff. There's no doubt about that. Let those 2nd/3rd tier programs worry about themselves. For now, I'm worried about our LBers and our young D line. I'd say lackluster play there has much more of an impact on our season. The rest? That will take care of itself, one way or the other.
 
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southcampus;2332929; said:
I don't care that the B1G is down. Ohio State will be just fine. We win our games and we're in the NCG/Playoff. There's no doubt about that. Let those 2nd/3rd tier programs worry about themselves. For now, I'm worried about our LBers and our young D line. I'd say lackluster play there has much more of an impact on our season. The rest? That will take care of itself, one way or the other.

Last year had Ohio State been bowl eligible the Buckeyes wouldn't have been in the BSCNCG. You can't factually say for 100% fact that OSU will always be fine.

Maybe there is an argument to be made that people ranked OSU lower than they would have been if they were eligible, but that is only opinion. But using last year's rankings and computer polls shows that as the voting/rankings stood, Ohio State was outside looking in.
 
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Osu won't always be fine, because they will fail in their title quest more often than not, at least in the system we are used to, which is more exclusive than what could be around the corner.

I haven't heard a compelling argument for why a deserving osu team will be left out of the title hunt. I have heard worrying about conference perception and stereotypes.

There is also the matter of the clear shift towards a playoff system and little reason to doubt they will try to expand and milk the TV money like they have in basketball. There is a big uptick in postseason money to be made, possibly at the partial expense of the regular season, but the sponsors and decision makers will take that gamble every time.
 
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