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I think Ty's recruiting hurt him quite a bit too. I remember when Notre Dame was actually a threat to pick off great Ohio players like Tony Fisher, Marc Edwards, etc. ND isn't even the picture anymore on most of the top recruits in Ohio, Michigan, and Pa.
 
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I think the Catholic priest scandal has hurt ND. People are leaving the faith or at a minimum becoming disenchanted with the church. Schools are getting a shot at Catholic athletes now that otherwise would have been a lock for ND. Just my personal theory that I have never seen discussed in the media.

For my two cents worth I don't think three years was enough. It is unreasonable to expect to win with Quinn as a sophomore and a new system. Wasn't the Notredame Broadcast company (NBC) just recently reviewing there contract to bring sucky sports across the nation? Hopefully the scandal has made people less inclined to watch ND sports and we can have a better shot at getting good games televised out west.

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The media keeps harping on the fact that Faust and Davie each got 5 years to prove themselves. And what did they prove? That their 3 year record was a reflection of their 5 year record. If anything, maybe ND is thinking that they held on to Davie for too long and weren't going to make that mistake with Willingham. Just b/c ND went for 5 years with those guys, doesn't mean they have to go for 5 years with Ty.

I agree with osugrad that 30 point blow outs aren't going to cut it. Nevertheless, Ty would still be coach today if his team had beaten BC and Pittsburgh, both of which were easy games and given them a respectable 8-3 record with wins over scUM and Tenncheat. He blew any argument he had for keeping his job with those clunkers.
 
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Nice points grad. I agree. The team never evolved during a game. That is one thing I love about Tressel. He does make a lot of changes throughout the course of a game. I loved during the 2002 season when the team would go in at half and come out and the opposing team could not move the ball on our D.
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Dantonio, not Tressel.
 
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I think the Catholic priest scandal has hurt ND. People are leaving the faith or at a minimum becoming disenchanted with the church.
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I think you're right.. I was talking to Brady Quinn's mom the other day... and I said... Aren'tyou worried that Brady Might get molested at Notre Dame by his instructors... She said that Brady was actually into it... but the Preist at ND are into interracial molestation primarily and that's what Paul Hornung was actually talking about....

Dude- Are you sure your name shouldn't be "methlabs"
 
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ND Chief - I think that was the pt Dayton was trying to make - that ND used to get loads of talent from Ohio. Fisher was very highly regarded by the OSU coaching staff.

Recently, ND will steal one from OSU and sign a few others that were not offered by the Bucks.
 
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I think the Catholic priest scandal has hurt ND. People are leaving the faith or at a minimum becoming disenchanted with the church. Schools are getting a shot at Catholic athletes now that otherwise would have been a lock for ND. Just my personal theory that I have never seen discussed in the media.

For my two cents worth I don't think three years was enough. It is unreasonable to expect to win with Quinn as a sophomore and a new system. Wasn't the Notredame Broadcast company (NBC) just recently reviewing there contract to bring sucky sports across the nation? Hopefully the scandal has made people less inclined to watch ND sports and we can have a better shot at getting good games televised out west.

Smithlabs
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Many students at parochial scools are there because of the benfits of an improved education. This applies to athletes (for whom support is sometimes found) and the nerds alike. I don't buy that a drop in church attendance translates to an equal drop in catholic school attendance.

Despite which, there has been raiding of the Chaminade's and Central Catholic's and the like by other major programs. However, that trend pre-dates recent scandals concerning priests and buggery. Academics, and ND's unwillingness to relax the same were Holtz's true undoing, they hampered Davie (who did not help himself) and provided a high barrier to entry for the students Willingham would have loved to bring on campus.
If that playing field is not leveled I question whether ND sees a true improvement in their fortunes.

Ironton: The argument you make has merit as I would like to have an environment wherein every coach gets a fair shake at one full class. However, you can add to the list of quick turn-around artists Carroll at USC and to a lesser extent Saban at LSU, along with the already allowed Stoops at OU and JT here at tOSU. Its not just the mid-majors seeing a quick change for the better under new leadership.
 
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Ironton: The argument you make has merit as I would like to have an environment wherein every coach gets a fair shake at one full class. However, you can add to the list of quick turn-around artists Carroll at USC and to a lesser extent Saban at LSU, along with the already allowed Stoops at OU and JT here at tOSU. Its not just the mid-majors seeing a quick change for the better under new leadership.
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So true, Sand. When you add the examples of Carroll and Saban, it is more understandable for ND to want a quick fix too. It's becoming downright commonplace.

So, my next questions are these: With four (and maybe more) recent examples of coaches quickly turning around proud but troubled programs: 1) is four (and maybe more) examples at the same time unusual in the history of college football?, 2) is it a trend that is likely to continue?, 3) if it is a new phenomenon, is there a rational explanation for it?, and 4) is it healthy for college football for schools to place such high expectations on their coaches and players?

My only speculation is that with the pressure to win NOW, coaches have simply adapted.
 
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