Jose Canseco's New Book

[HabaneroBuck]

If only one thing Conseco says in his book is true, then all that makes him is a snitch. He ratted out a brother. It has amazed me how many people who have knowingly taken the risk of doing something wrong, only to tell on everyone they have ever known once they get caught. And have no problem with it. And some of you guys, tossing out names (Boone, Griffey Jr., etc.) on a public web site, with no evidence that these guys have done anything wrong. I just don't get it anymore. I know that only a few years ago, a man wouldn't even consider doing such a thing. Maybe this is where the "new age, politically correct" society has brought us. I think it s#@ks.

I tossed out Sosa or Griffey because those are the only two big-time sluggers in baseball today who could possibly fit the description of who else was presumably going to be named in the book based on what was spoken of on an ESPN morning radio show I heard one day. Don't blame people on the internet for wondering which major leaguers are juiced up....blame Canseco, Giambi, Sheffield, and Caminiti, who all have ADMITTED that they used steroids at some point in the recent past and blame the players' union which has steadfastly refused to clear the players' names through opposing any kind of testing policy until they had to relent. Therefore, it is only the natural course of action to enquire as to what extent it has permeated baseball. Unfortunately for MLB, now EVERYONE is under suspicion. That is why players like John Smoltz and Curt Schilling have come out and stated that they were disappointed in the Union for opposing the testing, because they had enough common sense to realize that the ENTIRE game gets tarnished while suspicions linger.

Is Canseco a snitch? Probably. Does he deserve our respect? No. But to say that ALL that makes him is a snitch is a lie. The truth is the truth, and if all the sluggers in baseball are synthetic athletes, then MLB has all of the integrity of professional wrestling.

 

[WoodyWorshiper]

I don't think there is anything wrong with numb-nuts like ourselves to toss out names of those that we suspect. Sosa to me is a given, and I would bet my last dollar that Manny Ramirez is also. Too many of these guys have just gotten way too big-way too quickly.

I do, however, agree with RAMdrvr on the point of a guy like Canseco ratting out his teammates and others. Good, bad, or otherwise, what happens in the clubhouse should stay in the clubhouse.

 

[osubartender23]

Bret Boone is also being named in Cansecos new book. He supposedly told Jose that he used roids his first year in Seattle to hit 37 home runs.

 

[badphish]

Major League Baseball sickens me. Everyone in MLB knows it's going on. You can look at the players, such as Bret Boone, and know it. I am a huge Reds fan, and as such I know that Bret Boone had to have used steroids. I do not believe for one second he got that big naturally.

What makes me sick about MLB though is that what Pete Rose, the greatest hitter in all of baseball did, did not affect his stats one bit. His cheating didn't enhance his performance. These roid babies stats wouldn't exist if they weren't cheating, and that is what it is! Pete Rose is banned from baseball, wrong or right, yet they let these guys stats stand. Mark McGwire and Barry Bonds should be banned from baseball but because what they did brought some fans back, they are treated like heros.

MLB sucks. Until it is cleaned up, including getting rid of that pussy Selig, I won't go back and neither will many, many fans. Fuck baseball, fuck Barry Bonds, J Giambi, S Sosa, B Boone and especiall fuck J Canseco. Fuck em all!

 

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[font=Arial, Helvetica] "I'd be surprised if there was any significant follow-up," Sandy Alderson, executive vice president of baseball operations in the commissioner's office, said Friday. "This is a terrible thing for anyone to allege. It's hard to understand why anyone would make these allegations -- to sell a book? I don't know what constructive purpose Jose has in mind." [/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica] [/font] [font=Arial, Helvetica] Alderson, designated as baseball's spokesman on the Canseco book by commissioner Bud Selig, was general manager of the Oakland Athletics when Canseco and McGwire played for the team in the late 1980s and early 1990s. [/font]

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</td> <td width="15"> </td> </tr> <tr> <td width="200"> Jose Canseco's allegations are baffling to his former Oakland boss, Sandy Alderson. (AP) </td> <td width="15"> </td> </tr> </tbody></table> [font=Arial, Helvetica] Alderson said he saw no reason to believe Canseco's allegations about McGwire were true. [/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica] [/font] [font=Arial, Helvetica] "I did not suspect that McGwire was using steroids at the time," Alderson said. "That was for a host of reasons. Mark was working diligently with our coaches. His weight gain was far more gradual than one would suspect (if he had used steroids). [/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica] [/font] [font=Arial, Helvetica] "Jose made statements before that haven't been entirely true. It's possible that these are not. I don't think any of us in the commissioner's office intend to speculate on allegations he made regarding other people." [/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica] [/font] [font=Arial, Helvetica] Alderson said baseball's security department, headed by Kevin Hallinan, had not been contacted about checking into Canseco's allegations. [/font]

[font=Arial, Helvetica] [/font] [font=Arial, Helvetica] "I'd be very surprised if that were to develop in the future," Alderson said.
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[font=Arial, Helvetica]Talk about serious political double speak. Never denying the allegations but instead attacking the messenger. Why would they contact security, they already knew this was going on.
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[Sloopy45]

I'll give you a ton of guys who I can speculate juiced with certainty:

Rafael Palmeiro: Always a great hitter, but had no power whatsoever before Canseco joined the Rangers. In 5 full seasons with the Cubs and Texas, he averaged 15.6 dongs per season. In 12 full seasons since 1993, he's averaged 38 per season and is on pace to hit 600. What happened there?

Bret Boone: A punch and judy guy who's numbers exploded in one season. From '00 to '01, his Homer Run Total jumped from 19 to 37. Ditto for Runs: 61 to 118, Hits: 116 to 206, Doubles: 18 to 37, RBI: 74 to 141 (!), and AVG: .254 to .331. Those increases aren't natural.

Luis Gonzalez: An average player (at best) for many, many years who turned into a pseudo-star overnight. Look at how much his body has changed: he was a puny guy with a neck like a stack of dimes and now he's a rock with an enormous back and cut arms.

Brady Anderson: In who's wildest imagination would this guy ever hit 50 Home Runs in a season?

The guys you always want to look for are the singles-hitting middle infielders who turned into 40 Home Run guys overnight. That's a dead give-away.

 

[jimotis4heisman]

the give away is a cycling effect. you cannot take roids all the time, most cycle on for 10-14 days and then off for a similar period. streaky guys, who are consistnently streaky always drew my interest.