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Bill Davis (LB Coach Arizona Cardinals)

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Fair enough.

What was your thought on the play of the safeties?

I saw a stat and I believe I have it correct.
We gave up 6 runs of 75+ yards.
Most by any school in the last 15 years.
That is a failure on all 3 levels but the job description of a safety is safety.

Different era but I’m struggling to come up with 1 75+ yard run in the entire Tressel era.

I know we are trying to play a more aggressive scheme which everyone likes.
But we can’t give up that many huge plays.
 
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cdiddy70 said:
Fair enough.

What was your thought on the play of the safeties?

I saw a stat and I believe I have it correct.
We gave up 6 runs of 75+ yards.
Most by any school in the last 15 years.
That is a failure on all 3 levels but the job description of a safety is safety.

Different era but I’m struggling to come up with 1 75+ yard run in the entire Tressel era.

I know we are trying to play a more aggressive scheme which everyone likes.
But we can’t give up that many huge plays.
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And don't think we're finished... UW has a burner with Ahmed... and Gaskin is a balanced 3-down back that can house it too.
 
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cdiddy70 said:
Fair enough.

What was your thought on the play of the safeties?

I saw a stat and I believe I have it correct.
We gave up 6 runs of 75+ yards.
Most by any school in the last 15 years.
That is a failure on all 3 levels but the job description of a safety is safety.

Different era but I’m struggling to come up with 1 75+ yard run in the entire Tressel era.

I know we are trying to play a more aggressive scheme which everyone likes.
But we can’t give up that many huge plays.
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Safety play suffered due to the scheme. Yes, they are the safety valve of the defense, but IMO they were set up to fail, when the 2nd line of defense(LBs) were practically extra DL, and once the play was called, the OL and TEs could immediately take them out of plays. So you have RBs going at full steam with the ball toward Safeties in space, and I'm sorry, but very few Safeties in the history of football would have the advatange in that scenario, when they're one on one in space with a RB, one false move and they gave up 6, which happened throughout the season(and may happen a few more times on Jan 1 like @kujirakira stated).
But to keep this on Davis, and not have to be redirected to the 2018 defense thread(which we can continue this discussion there), even throughout the season, the LBs looked inconsistent. And Harrison at times looked like the only one out there. Werner seemed to have regressed, Borland looked either injured or slow. And even when he did play Hilliard and Booker, they would start heating up and then be taken out of the game. Figured that they'd get more PT this year. LBs and Safeties looked the worse this year, until White was inserted next to Fuller, and many mistakes were cleared up then, but the LB play due to scheme and coaching was bad this year. All that 4 and 5star talent wasted for a season
 
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I wish I could like this a thousand times ^^^^^^^. The safety's were setup to fail with this bullshit scheme. You cannot expect them to bat .1000 vs the RB in space with such a head of steam. Other teams have good backs too and their job is to make one man miss. Well that shouldn't mean a fucking 75 yard TD when one man misses. Hell, we didn't have a guy miss on most of the long TDs, it was just off to the races.

The reason I think the guy sucks ass, is I see the SAME Mistakes for two years out of not just the same guy, ALL of the guys. When LBs can't get lined up, that is a problem. They should be lining everyone up, not just themselves, and all year they were running late from one side to the other and back and appeared confused. That is 100% lack of preparation, correct preparations, and understanding. They have position group meetings constantly. The LBs are not getting in their meetings what they needed, clear direct concise understanding of what was going to happen on Saturday. It was clear as day. On top of just not lining up, they were then out of position too often, bad fits, bad angles, again stuff that should be correctable in practice, that was never corrected for two years and not from one guy, from every guy including guys playing now on Sundays.

And then the TE delay and RB delay coverages. Oh shit was that bad. Like they had never seen the play ever in their lives.

Chris Spielman was not the most talented guy on the field. He could not run as fast as a single LB we have, could not jump as high as a single one of them, yet he was prepared, knew exactly where the ball would be, and he got his ass their to make the play over and over. How many times did we ever see him trying to figure out before the snap where he was lining up? Seriously? And teams used formations and motion just the damn same then. What was he doing, he was pointing and shifting his own damn players and calling out tendencies before the snap for his defense.

It is clear to me these guys are not being prepared either physically or mentally before Saturday. The talent is there. The coaching is not.
 
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Hstead said:
I wish I could like this a thousand times ^^^^^^^. The safety's were setup to fail with this bullshit scheme. You cannot expect them to bat .1000 vs the RB in space with such a head of steam. Other teams have good backs too and their job is to make one man miss. Well that shouldn't mean a fucking 75 yard TD when one man misses. Hell, we didn't have a guy miss on most of the long TDs, it was just off to the races.

The reason I think the guy sucks ass, is I see the SAME Mistakes for two years out of not just the same guy, ALL of the guys. When LBs can't get lined up, that is a problem. They should be lining everyone up, not just themselves, and all year they were running late from one side to the other and back and appeared confused. That is 100% lack of preparation, correct preparations, and understanding. They have position group meetings constantly. The LBs are not getting in their meetings what they needed, clear direct concise understanding of what was going to happen on Saturday. It was clear as day. On top of just not lining up, they were then out of position too often, bad fits, bad angles, again stuff that should be correctable in practice, that was never corrected for two years and not from one guy, from every guy including guys playing now on Sundays.

And then the TE delay and RB delay coverages. Oh shit was that bad. Like they had never seen the play ever in their lives.

Chris Spielman was not the most talented guy on the field. He could not run as fast as a single LB we have, could not jump as high as a single one of them, yet he was prepared, knew exactly where the ball would be, and he got his ass their to make the play over and over. How many times did we ever see him trying to figure out before the snap where he was lining up? Seriously? And teams used formations and motion just the damn same then. What was he doing, he was pointing and shifting his own damn players and calling out tendencies before the snap for his defense.

It is clear to me these guys are not being prepared either physically or mentally before Saturday. The talent is there. The coaching is not.
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Even asking them to be 50/50 is a lot when the ball carrier is running full speed. You're more or less guessing which way the back is going each time right or left.

Because the linebackers were so out of position it was up to our safeties to make 1 on 1 stops. Luckily like mentioned White really helped sure up some things
 
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My issue is the bigger question. WE can see the scheme sucks. WE can see the LB positioning is poor, leaves the safetys at a disadvantage, and is allowing way too many momentum changing big plays. We can see this and we don't have 1/4 of the access to game film, practice film, game prep sessions, etc.

Where in the HELL was Schiano? Or beyond that, UFM? Who REALLY should be responsible? Do you think Davis developed and maintained these schemes in a vacuum?

I agree with the assessment above..... the LB usage was awful for the last 2 years. It's provided a weak point that's been exploited repeatedly. At what point can we expect the HC to notice?
 
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bukIpower said:
Even asking them to be 50/50 is a lot when the ball carrier is running full speed. You're more or less guessing which way the back is going each time right or left.

Because the linebackers were so out of position it was up to our safeties to make 1 on 1 stops. Luckily like mentioned White really helped sure up some things
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I agree. These guys dont seem to understand leverage very much either. I'm not talking about being lower or higher than the opponent, I'm talking about forcing the play into our strengths. We lose contain like it's not even there and thats maddening!

I was taught in PeeWee football you never let them get outside of you. The help is always in the middle. But, as soon as a back gets to the edge vs this defense, he's gone. The Safety has to make a 30 to 40 yard run in a lot of cases to cut that guy off. Then we're talking about angles and they are dumbfounded when that happens. We ran drill after drill cutting off the angles and containing plays from the outside all through youth football and high school. Did they stop teaching this? I just dont understand.

"The team that hits the hardest and the longest. The team that starts the fastest, and the team that's too damned smart to make mistakes." - Woody Hayes

This team makes more mistakes than any other Buckeye team I've watched. They have all the athletic ability in the world but they can't think and play at the same time.

Au revoir monsieur Davis!
 
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Bestbuck36 said:
I agree. These guys dont seem to understand leverage very much either. I'm not talking about being lower or higher than the opponent, I'm talking about forcing the play into our strengths. We lose contain like it's not even there and thats maddening!

I was taught in PeeWee football you never let them get outside of you. The help is always in the middle. But, as soon as a back gets to the edge vs this defense, he's gone. The Safety has to make a 30 to 40 yard run in a lot of cases to cut that guy off. Then we're talking about angles and they are dumbfounded when that happens. We ran drill after drill cutting off the angles and containing plays from the outside all through youth football and high school. Did they stop teaching this? I just dont understand.

"The team that hits the hardest and the longest. The team that starts the fastest, and the team that's too damned smart to make mistakes." - Woody Hayes

This team makes more mistakes than any other Buckeye team I've watched. They have all the athletic ability in the world but they can't think and play at the same time.

Au revoir monsieur Davis!
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The bolded is where I disagree. This defense wasn't getting beat to the outside, if you look at most, if not close to all of the big runs this year, they were up the middle, usually between the OG and OT, teams didn't need to go outside. Once the LBs were walked up the LOS, you could put a blocker on the entire front 7, so at the minimum, if a S played the play to absolute perfection, the play resulted in a 5-10yrd gain, if the S was somewhat out of position, or the RB put a move on him, then they have 6. I recall few times where the offense even needed to hit the defense on the perimeter
 
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pnuts34 said:
The bolded is where I disagree. This defense wasn't getting beat to the outside, if you look at most, if not close to all of the big runs this year, they were up the middle, usually between the OG and OT, teams didn't need to go outside. Once the LBs were walked up the LOS, you could put a blocker on the entire front 7, so at the minimum, if a S played the play to absolute perfection, the play resulted in a 5-10yrd gain, if the S was somewhat out of position, or the RB put a move on him, then they have 6. I recall few times where the offense even needed to hit the defense on the perimeter
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Might have hit the hole in the middle, but straight to the outside after that. Every. Single. Time.
 
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Bestbuck36 said:
Might have hit the hole in the middle, but straight to the outside after that. Every. Single. Time.
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Now that I can agree with, and can't blame them, when you only have 1-2 guys to beat for a score. But we wouldn't have been able to contain that with a DB probably getting blocked by a WR and a S by himself praying to choose correctly on the tackle.
 
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Bestbuck36 said:
I agree. These guys dont seem to understand leverage very much either. I'm not talking about being lower or higher than the opponent, I'm talking about forcing the play into our strengths. We lose contain like it's not even there and thats maddening!

I was taught in PeeWee football you never let them get outside of you. The help is always in the middle. But, as soon as a back gets to the edge vs this defense, he's gone. The Safety has to make a 30 to 40 yard run in a lot of cases to cut that guy off. Then we're talking about angles and they are dumbfounded when that happens. We ran drill after drill cutting off the angles and containing plays from the outside all through youth football and high school. Did they stop teaching this? I just dont understand.

"The team that hits the hardest and the longest. The team that starts the fastest, and the team that's too damned smart to make mistakes." - Woody Hayes

This team makes more mistakes than any other Buckeye team I've watched. They have all the athletic ability in the world but they can't think and play at the same time.

Au revoir monsieur Davis!
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Yes. It's so bad that when Moton got the ball in the first quarter last week. I started laughing before he even made his final cut. Because I could see what was about to happen and that's a problem.

I did that a lot this year... you know what I mean too. When you say outloud "gone" before the ball carrier even broke through.

As you said that lack of awareness on where our help was on defense was mind boggling. The only kudos I give is for understanding White was the correct choice and making the change. Other than that the back 7 coaching was way off.

I just hope we can get a new LB coach and we can start coaching the DBs to turn their head. If we do those things I'll be very confident in a big time turnaround next season.

I really think Arenette/Sheffield can be great corners. They were always right there but would never turn for the ball (Sheffield especially).
 
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bukIpower said:
Hard to tell when he never turns for the ball. I mean they're always so close but they just aren't good at the techniques being taught.
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Arnette was never "good" when Coombs was here, he was more of a liability. He's a nice depth guy, but I can see Okudah-Wade starting next year. Sheffield has been a disappointment(technique or not) and Arnette has been what I've always thought he was, more sizzle, and not much steak
 
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