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Lebron James (Los Angeles Lakers)

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This post season feels like it's been about Lebron taking away some of the "MJ was better" examples that people like to throw out. In the playoffs this year Lebron has has multiple game winning shots, clutch shots, has choked the life out of teams that thought they have a chance to beat him. The Warriors will be a huge test, but if Lebron can somehow pull this one out of his ass I think it jumps him to the front of the line for GOAT. This year is truly a test of how great can Lebron be.

Given the current state of the Cavs I still think we only have Lebron for another 4-7 games before he moves on to another team that has a good young core that can take him through the end of his career without having to carry the load for 40 minutes a game. At least he did what he came here to do and I don't think we'll have a replay of the decision. I think he's learned enough to handle it better this time.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
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Some fair points. Most annoyingly, LeBron still pouts instead of just moving forward and doing what he can in a shitty situation. And I wasn't impressed with tonight obviously.

But enough with the MJ shit already. Jesus. And this isn't aimed at you Jeff. Just tired of the comparison and the over-the-top bs haters vomit if they even see someone who looks like LeBron. "If MJ had no arms and one leg, he'd still drop 30 points and choke slam LeBron through the hardwood!!!".

MJ doesn't need defending. He's the best. I'm not even sure who's arguing that. It's just a bunch of MJ fanboys tilting with windmills trying to act like LeBron is a bum.
 
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1926Buckeyes said:
Some fair points. Most annoyingly, LeBron still pouts instead of just moving forward and doing what he can in a shitty situation. And I wasn't impressed with tonight obviously.

But enough with the MJ shit already. Jesus. And this isn't aimed at you Jeff. Just tired of the comparison and the over-the-top bs haters vomit if they even see someone who looks like LeBron. "If MJ had no arms and one leg, he'd still drop 30 points and choke slam LeBron through the hardwood!!!".

MJ doesn't need defending. He's the best. I'm not even sure who's arguing that. It's just a bunch of MJ fanboys tilting with windmills trying to act like LeBron is a bum.
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That and sports nostalgia. Like every other past great in every other sport, the more time passes, the more MJ becomes an infallible mega-god who can never be compared to.

MJ is MJ and LeBron obviously isn't without his flaws and shortcomings, but any hot take trying to dent his overall greatness is raw pettiness at this point.
 
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LordJeffBuck said:
An interesting perspective.....

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First, that Cleveland team was pathetically awful outside of LeBron and it’s a sports miracle he carried them on his back to the finals.

Second, Jordan literally quit the entire game of basketball to go play baseball. When he left, the Bulls went from 57-25 with him to 55-27 without him.

The Cavs went from 61-21 with LeBron to 19-63 without him the first time around and will do the same or worse if it happens again.
 
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Buckeye86 said:
First, that Cleveland team was pathetically awful outside of LeBron and it’s a sports miracle he carried them on his back to the finals.

Second, Jordan literally quit the entire game of basketball to go play baseball. When he left, the Bulls went from 57-25 with him to 55-27 without him.

The Cavs went from 61-21 with LeBron to 19-63 without him the first time around and will do the same or worse if it happens again.
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That change in records with the Bulls says it all.
 
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The second half of last night's closeout game didn't seem like one in which LBJ was going down swinging and committed to the Cavs franchise; to me, it looked like he was a guy who had thrown in the towel on the Cavs. It reminded me an awful lot of his closeout game in the series loss to the Celtics in 2010.
 
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Pretty tough to be the man.. to hit the 3 pointers, the slam dunks, to make the laser pass, and block a shot.. with a broken hand and an eyeful of blood
Charge down the lane, know you're going to get hammered... and maybe on that hand... then body slammed to the floor.. and again, use that hand to catch yourself...
I'm giving him a pass
 
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Get ready: Superteams and superstars can recruit LeBron again

This LeBron James free-agency decision is going to be his most personal.

When he went to Miami in 2010, it was about business; he badly needed to become a champion. When he returned to Cleveland in 2014, in what he hoped was his last move, it was about legacy.

James has his championships now. No matter what anyone says on the matter, he also believes his legacy is secure. With the Cleveland Cavaliers losing in the Finals for the second straight year, the choices and options in front of him are complex. Put more simply, James might not see any option he truly likes at this point.

Despite whatever assumptions exist, for months James and those closest to him have made it clear that no decision about the future has been made or the choices even fully vetted. There's no well-formulated plan ready to be executed.

There are a few issues James will have to work through and probably prioritize. And perhaps he'll have to make some tough compromises.

But something that should be understood when it comes to James this summer: Anything is possible. Repeat: anything. Making assumptions on things he's said in the past, feelings he's had in the past, bad blood, rivalries, weather, anything from the past could be a mistake. James believes he's got a blank check to do what he wants, and perhaps the only thing that's clear about this free agency is that he's not afraid to use it.

Family considerations

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James' oldest son, Bronny, is 13. His younger son, Bryce, will turn 11 next week. They will be able to voice their feelings on the decision this time. They have spent time in Miami and Akron and even Los Angeles in the summers. Bronny is a standout basketball player who has a chance at an NBA future, and his development and comfort through his teen years, of course, is important.

James' wife, Savannah, was already a driving force in 2014 when James came home to Akron. James loves watching his sons play basketball.

It's hard to see him being apart from his family, which includes 3-year-old daughter Zhuri, at this stage of his life. In 2010, he left Savannah and his young sons in Ohio when he first moved to Miami. Now, where they want to live is a deeper factor.
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Things change rapidly in the NBA, though. Teams that don't have cap room today could create some if they needed it or felt they could get James. The books are tighter this summer; there isn't as much overall space as there has been in the past three offseasons. That means the cost of offloading contracts will be more expensive and harder than in seasons past.

There are still doors, and that brings other teams into play that might have elaborate plans to acquire James. The Rockets are at the head of this list. It would be a challenge for them to re-sign free agents Paul and Clint Capela and find a way to add James. But it's not impossible, and general manager Daryl Morey is known for his scheming.

Pile it all together, and what James has is a lot of scenarios, many of them messy. Right now, there's not a sure bet in the bunch. There's a lot on the line; much of the league will revolve around what he does. It's going to take time, it's going to take thought and it might be unpleasant.
Welcome to another LeBron James free agency.

Entire article: http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/23303509/lebron-james-hit-free-agency-again-anything-possible-nba
 
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Only watched Game 1 of the finals. Knew after game 1 it was going to be a sweep and the games wouldn't be close.

That said I hope for LeBron to leave. Up until these finals I was hoping he would stay and build on the team, but with their current contracts and players I can't fathom a trade that would get him enough around him. The only player that would make a difference would be if they could get Paul up there. They could manage it with the cap by finding a taker for Clarkson, Smith and Hill. Still that might not be enough to beat GS. They'd have to find another shooter.

I think Bron did good by Cleveland. I was frustrated when he left, but now I really just want to see him wipe that smile off the warriors' faces. Just don't go to the Lakers, they don't deserve him. LeBron in Houston would destroy them, and that I would enjoy.
 
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