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LMAO at Stewart Mandel

Discussion in 'ESPN's 04-05 war against tOSU and Tressel' started by MaximumSam, Nov 11, 2004.

  1. MaximumSam

    MaximumSam Newbie

    I am including the whole article because I'm not going to link to his page.

    Successful academic reform ... requires presidential leadership. There are strong forces driving athletics programs toward better and better athletics performance. That is understandable and good: athletics is about winning. But it is essential that the response to these forces be made in a wider context of the mission of universities and colleges, which first and foremost are academic institutions.

    The champion for this mission must be the university president ...

    -- NCAA president Myles Brand, State of the NCAA speech, Jan. 11, 2004

    Question for Dr. Karen Holbrook, president of The Ohio State University, in light of this week's ESPN the Magazine report about alleged improprieties involving Maurice Clarett and the Buckeyes' football program: When will enough be enough? When will you heed Brand's directive, step in and do something about an athletic department that continues to bring more shame and embarrassment to your otherwise reputable university than any glory it may have achieved on the playing field?

    Whether or not you believe Clarett's tale of cash-wielding boosters and free-wheeling car dealers -- the guy's credibility is more than a little suspect -- I can only presume that someone like you, Dr. Holbrook, who's devoted her life to the pursuit of higher learning, would be more incensed by some of ESPN's other findings.

    In addition to Clarett, four other former players describe being steered by academic advisers to the easiest possible courses with the football-friendliest professors. One, ex-cornerback Curtis Crosby, left OSU in '02 and tried transferring to Grambling only to find out half his credits, which included courses called Officiating Basketball and Officiating Tennis, would be denied. "What are they doing up there at Ohio State?" he says a Grambling adviser asked him. Former running back Sammy Maldonado showed up at Maryland in '02 with a transcript that included four credits for playing football, three for Issues Affecting Student Athletes, 10 for remedial reading, 10 for remedial math and three for Jim Tressel's Coaching Football class.

    Tressel is teaching his players in a football coaching class? Are you familiar with Jim Harrick Jr., Dr. Holbrook? I'm guessing you are, considering you came to OSU in '02 ... from Georgia.

    Now, if these allegations were the only dirty laundry involving Ohio State athletics recently, I suppose you could get away with having your athletic director, Andy Geiger, dismiss Clarett as a liar, launch a harmless little probe of the academic stuff and call it a day. But Dr. Holbrook, this is the same athletic department in which the following has occurred:

    • The men's basketball program is under investigation by the NCAA for major rules violations, including head coach Jim O'Brien giving a recruit $6,000 (to which he admitted and was subsequently fired). Amongst the other allegations: Boosters lavishing former player Boban Savovic with gifts, including air fare to Hawaii (the booster in question, Kim Roslovic, admitted to such in a deposition) and professors changing Savovic's grades to keep him eligible.

    • Fourteen football players have been arrested since '01. Several of the charges were for petty crimes, but others included assault, felony drug abuse, possession of a concealed weapon, theft and lying to police.

    • Several current and former faculty members have alleged special treatment of athletes. "They're told exactly which courses are easy. They get every possible break," Marilyn Blackwell, professor of Germanic languages, told The Associated Press. The school conducted an investigation last December and found no instances of wrongdoing, prompting you, Dr. Holbrook, to declare, "We have no systematic problems in the way we work with our student-athletes."

    If that's the case, why are we now hearing more of the same, only this time from the players themselves?

    You've remained conspicuously quiet, Dr. Holbrook, throughout a tumultuous period for the athletic department. Your only public statement about the basketball scandal was to acknowledge "the situation was clear" that O'Brien had to be fired. Your last public comments about the football program came in July, when you told the Columbus Dispatch, "I continue to have full confidence in Andy Geiger and Jim Tressel and in the integrity of the program they are running." A school spokesperson said Wednesday you would be unavailable for comment, and that the football and basketball scandals are "quite separate."

    Together, however, they paint a similar picture of an athletic culture that represents everything wrong with college sports. Myles Brand has spent much of his two years in office preaching the need to bring athletics back into the sphere of the overall university, less like the professional enterprises they've become. No athletic department symbolizes this trend more than yours, which generated a staggering $87 million in revenue in '02-03, the most in the country. You've created a monster, in which little things like coaching ethics and educational values get brushed aside in order to keep feeding the beast.

    I understand, Dr. Holbrook, that yours is hardly the only school guilty of such transgressions. But you have the power to do something about it.

    As I see it, you have one of three options:

    1) You can simply choose to ignore the whole mess -- that is, if you can sleep at night.

    While Clarett's accusations, if true, rise to the level of transgressions that got SMU the death penalty, there may be no smoking gun or paper trail for the NCAA to follow. And while jock curriculums and overly hands-on tutors may seem unethical, there's technically nothing in the NCAA handbook against it. Nor does a team's number of player arrests count against it in the BCS standings.

    2) You can take the Colorado approach, roll out a bunch of politicians and self-appointed investigators, spend several hundred thousand dollars, show the public you're concerned, then, at the end of the day, let everyone involved keep their jobs and go about their business.

    3) Or, Dr. Holbrook, you can actually do something bold. You can shut down the athletic department for a year. A self-imposed death penalty.

    By doing so, you'll acknowledge that athletics are the window through which the outside world views your university, and that these scandals are cheapening the hard work of thousands of bona fide students who go there, perhaps even devaluing their degree in the eyes of potential employers.

    Lord knows you wouldn't be a popular person in Columbus. In fact, you'd probably have to move, for your safety. But across the rest of the collegiate world, you'd be viewed as a hero.

    Stewart Mandel covers college sports for

    This is laughable. Hey, college stars are celebrities because of businesses like ESPN and Sports Illustrated. Because they are celebrities, people give them money and cars. Perhaps we should shut down ESPN and Sports Illustrated - that would no doubt help the problem.
  2. Hubbard

    Hubbard Administrator's Staff Member Bookie

    I didn't read all of that, but man ESPN is one sneaky organization. They started the story and they are the only ones continuing it. Seriously, fuck off ESPN, way to fans your OWN flames. I am really really sick of this all, the article brought nothing to the front that wasn't there already. Sour grapes for Clarett is all and if people don't there is boosters at every major college that has big time athletics, they are delusional. Stewart Mandel is the biggest joke out there, he has an axe to grind agaisnt OSU for whatever reason. I really, really wish we wouldn't even harp on any of these things. Ignore all the (foundless) shit and we have them beat.

    Edit: going to the Clarett area
  3. BuckeyeNation27

    BuckeyeNation27 Goal Goal USA! Staff Member

  4. FCollinsBuckeye

    FCollinsBuckeye Senior Former Game Champion

    Now it all makes sense. ESPN drudges up more of the same mud w/ the MoC article, then they follow up with a 'OSU should shut down their Athletic Dept. for a year if they have any conscience'. What a fucking joke. I hope to the good Lord that ESPN is screwing themselves over this old news/non-story.

    Fuck you, Mandel and Fuck off ESPN.
  5. Oh8ch

    Oh8ch Cognoscente of Omphaloskepsis Staff Member

    Psssssst - don't tell anyone which course are easy. It's a secret!

    Is there ANYONE on this board who went to college and didn't do everything they could to find out which courses and which instructors were easy? (Next to finding out the same information about Coeds that may be the most important thing you do as a student.)

    But if the coaches actually shared this information with players we should shut down the Athletic Department for a year?

    Sounds cool.
  6. FCollinsBuckeye

    FCollinsBuckeye Senior Former Game Champion

    I love how they insinuate it's the University's fault that Sammy needs remedial classes. Gimme a fucking break.
  7. tibor75

    tibor75 Banned

    actually remedial classes don't count for a degree at Ohio State either, although the do count towards credit hour requirements. I imagine OSU's policy is similar to other schools. If a transfer comes in with a bunch of remedial credit hours, obviously those hours don't count towards a degree. Retards.
  8. BuckeyeNation27

    BuckeyeNation27 Goal Goal USA! Staff Member


    mandel rights for SI
  9. scooter1369

    scooter1369 Chief Toad Fart

    If Karen A. Hole brook could shut down the football program without leaving the world the same Jimmy Hoffa did, she would.
  10. ohiobuck94

    ohiobuck94 Buckeye Beach Bum

    The way Mandell writes this tOsu is damned if we investigate and damned if we don't. He's trying to put tOSU in a no-win situation.
    What an idiot!! :2004:
  11. JohnnyCockfight

    JohnnyCockfight Beer is God's proof that he loves us.

    A bunch of those arrests (that everyone loves to cite) were due to underage drinking, and we all know that isn't really a crime.
  12. Folanator

    Folanator Brawndo's got electrolytes...

    I hope we start a riot when Game day comes. Lloyd I know...take the high road. Screw that. I want to see Lee Corso run across the oval being tar'd and feather'd. I want to see the ESPN cameramen hung from the trees by their underwear. I want to see the ESPN stage upsidedown in a smoldering heap of ruin. Dogs cats living together, mass hysteria!

    "Fourteen football players have been arrested since '01. Several of the charges were for petty crimes, but others included assault, felony drug abuse, possession of a concealed weapon, theft and lying to police."

    Yea, shut down the football program fuckhead. But before you do lets get a couple of them to act as backups to your fucking story. Talk about playing both sides of the fence.
  13. FCollinsBuckeye

    FCollinsBuckeye Senior Former Game Champion

    Sorry, I wasn't in my write mind when I typed that.


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  14. BuckeyeInTheBoro

    BuckeyeInTheBoro This space left intentionally blank

    I say we agree to shut down our athletic dept for one year after the SEC shuts all of it's schools down for good.

  15. DaBuckMD

    DaBuckMD Rookie

    Who are these people -- someone with zero knowledge of the situation associating this with SMU and the death penalty. Talk about jump to a huge conclusion.

    This crap reminds me of the shark attack story's, road rage, flu vaccine -- the media is in complete spin control and once again blowing things out of proportions simply to have something to discuss.

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