LSU Tigers (official thread)

[jwinslow]

It's no surprise that the 2019 Tigers were remarkably talented. I would bet they'd clobber the 2001 Canes and 1995 Huskers.

It's not surprising that you're enamored with an offensive team that inconsistently played good defense.

Joe was a monster. Far better than Dorsey.
Clyde was a good back. Miami had Portis, Gore & McGahee. Miami by a mile.
LSU had a good WR corps led by Chase. Miami by Johnson. Wash? Mild edge LSU?
LSU had an undrafted TE. Miami had the Soldja. Miami by a mile.
LSU had a mid round T. Miami had 2 first rounders. Miami by a mile.
LSU had Chaisson in 1st + mid round DT. Miami had Wilfork/Joseph in 1st. Miami wins.
LSU had Queen in 1st, Phillips in 3rd. Miami had Vilma, Williams in 1st, McIntosh in 2nd. Huge edge Miami.
LSU had Fulton/Delpit in 2nd, probably Stingley in 1st. Miami had Taylor, Rolle, Buchanon, Reed Rumph, Jennings in 1st.

Taylor was a dime back for crying out loud.


Joe had a season for the ages. The rest of the rosters aren't close, despite a huge amount of NFL talent for LSU.

 

[jwinslow]

 

[Nutriaitch]

It's not surprising that you're enamored with an offensive team that inconsistently played good defense.

Joe was a monster. Far better than Dorsey.
Clyde was a good back. Miami had Portis, Gore & McGahee. Miami by a mile.
LSU had a good WR corps led by Chase. Miami by Johnson. Wash? Mild edge LSU?
LSU had an undrafted TE. Miami had the Soldja. Miami by a mile.
LSU had a mid round T. Miami had 2 first rounders. Miami by a mile.
LSU had Chaisson in 1st + mid round DT. Miami had Wilfork/Joseph in 1st. Miami wins.
LSU had Queen in 1st, Phillips in 3rd. Miami had Vilma, Williams in 1st, McIntosh in 2nd. Huge edge Miami.
LSU had Fulton/Delpit in 2nd, probably Stingley in 1st. Miami had Taylor, Rolle, Buchanon, Reed Rumph, Jennings in 1st.

Taylor was a dime back for crying out loud.


Joe had a season for the ages. The rest of the rosters aren't close, despite a huge amount of NFL talent for LSU.

not gonna be fair to compare until at least a few years down the road.
a lot of the Miami luster is polished by their NFL careers and not that particular college season.

Clyde had more yards and TDs than anyone on that Miami roster that year. McGahee ('01) and Tyrion Davis-Price ('19) had very similar years. But it is waaaaaaaay too early to even attempt to say TDP can or will have a similar overall career. Because the very next year McGahee went off for 1,700.
our undrafted TE had more receiving yards this season than Shockey and Winslow combined in '01.

 

[jwinslow]

The main thing with Miami is their defense was so dominant.

8 opponents scored 7 pts or less (PSU, Rutg, Troy St, Temp, #15 Cuse, #11 UW)
12 opponents scored 27 or less (aka every opponent)
0 opponents scored 35 or more

LSU gave up 35 or more 4x, including 38 to Vanderbilt in September. The rest of that month Vandy scored 6 vs UGA, 24 vs Purdue & 24 vs NIU.

LSU had a legendary offense and an inconsistent but star-filled defense that put it together down the home stretch.

January LSU would have been an interesting matchup. Sep to mid Nov LSU does not stack up at all in terms of their production/stats.

not gonna be fair to compare until at least a few years down the road.
a lot of the Miami luster is polished by their NFL careers and not that particular college season.

True, but Miami also had 17 first round picks. LSU needs 12 more from last year's roster to keep pace.

Clyde had more yards and TDs than anyone on that Miami roster that year. McGahee ('01) and Tyrion Davis-Price ('19) had very similar years. But it is waaaaaaaay too early to even attempt to say TDP can or will have a similar overall career. Because the very next year McGahee went off for 1,700.

Yes, some of those guys weren't factors in 01, but that also speaks to how insane their depth was.

I think Clyde was an absolute stud, and grossly undervalued, not unlike the tailback at OSU but that backfield is out of this world.

15, 9 & 11 year careers.
12 pro bowl awards.
Frank Gore was still playing last year.

our undrafted TE had more receiving yards this season than Shockey and Winslow combined in '01.

It's also telling that I forgot about Jeremy Shockey. He was a first round pick and 4x pro bowler, yet he's not among the top-8 pros on that team. That's an insanely high bar for LSU to clear.

 

[RCSooner1974]

It's not surprising that you're enamored with an offensive team that inconsistently played good defense.

Joe was a monster. Far better than Dorsey.
Clyde was a good back. Miami had Portis, Gore & McGahee. Miami by a mile.
LSU had a good WR corps led by Chase. Miami by Johnson. Wash? Mild edge LSU?
LSU had an undrafted TE. Miami had the Soldja. Miami by a mile.
LSU had a mid round T. Miami had 2 first rounders. Miami by a mile.
LSU had Chaisson in 1st + mid round DT. Miami had Wilfork/Joseph in 1st. Miami wins.
LSU had Queen in 1st, Phillips in 3rd. Miami had Vilma, Williams in 1st, McIntosh in 2nd. Huge edge Miami.
LSU had Fulton/Delpit in 2nd, probably Stingley in 1st. Miami had Taylor, Rolle, Buchanon, Reed Rumph, Jennings in 1st.

Taylor was a dime back for crying out loud.


Joe had a season for the ages. The rest of the rosters aren't close, despite a huge amount of NFL talent for LSU.

You might want to take into account that Miami had the 22nd ranked SOS that year, while LSU's ranked 6th during their championship year. Not to mention the '01 Canes saw nothing from opposing offenses that compares to LSU's.

 

[jwinslow]

You might want to take into account that Miami had the 22nd ranked SOS that year, while LSU's ranked 6th during their championship year. Not to mention the '01 Canes saw nothing from opposing offenses that compares to LSU's.

Vanderbilt had the 125th scoring offense, and were terrible throughout September (even against trash teams). They lit up LSU.

Ole Miss was ranked 82nd. They scored 17, 14, 41, 37 & 20 pts down the stretch. The 37 was vs LSU (41 vs NMSU).


LSU was a really good team. One of the best teams of the past few decades. They were nowhere near as consistently great as Miami.

 

[RCSooner1974]

Vanderbilt had the 125th scoring offense, and were terrible throughout September (even against trash teams). They lit up LSU.

Ole Miss was ranked 82nd. They scored 17, 14, 41, 37 & 20 pts down the stretch. The 37 was vs LSU (41 vs NMSU).


LSU was a really good team. One of the best teams of the past few decades. They were nowhere near as consistently great as Miami.

Granted, Miami's schedule was no where near as daunting being they were in a conference that featured Rutgers and Temple. LSU did have problems on defense until they adjusted down the stretch, where they outscored their last 3 opponents (all ranked in the top 4) by an average of four touchdowns. '01 Miami was never really challenged down the stretch and also eeked out a 2-point win against VA Tech, who had gotten clobberknocked by Pittsburgh 38-7 just three weeks earlier.

 

[jwinslow]

Granted, Miami's schedule was no where near as daunting being they were in a conference that featured Rutgers and Temple. LSU did have problems on defense until they adjusted down the stretch, where they outscored their last 3 opponents (all ranked in the top 4) by an average of four touchdowns.

that's a fancy way of saying they weren't great until the end.

OSU '15 would crush most NC winners between 01 Miami and 19 lsu. That doesn't mean they were consistently great before the last few games.

'01 Miami was never really challenged down the stretch and also eeked out a 2-point win against VA Tech, who had gotten clobberknocked by Pittsburgh 38-7 just three weeks earlier.

Let me get this straight, lsu didn't play defense for most of the year, but because they were great at the end, I'm supposed to focus on that.

Also I'm supposed to ONLY focus on one close win for Miami and absolutely nothing else, like the fact that they were a top 15 team, and that they obliterated the other 3 such teams in that 4 game stretch. That seems very logical.

 

[RCSooner1974]

Well you could argue LSU's defense wasn't always great like Miami's defense, whereas Miami could not keep up in a scoring match with Ken Dorsey at quarterback.

I think the problem for Miami in that matchup would be they'd have to go up against LSU's receiving corps featuring Jefferson (1st round pick), JaMarr Chase (likely 1st round pick), and Terrace Marshall (another potential first rounder). Being that they never even faced an offense all year that comes within 200 yards close to where LSU's was ranked, I don't know if defensive schematics from 2001 would matchup very well with college football's high-octane offenses from 2008-present.

'08 Oklahoma probably could have scored 40 on '01 Miami's defense, '18 Oklahoma could score 50.

 

[OregonBuckeye]

Well you could argue LSU's defense wasn't always great like Miami's defense, whereas Miami could not keep up in a scoring match with Ken Dorsey at quarterback.

I think the problem for Miami in that matchup would be they'd have to go up against LSU's receiving corps featuring Jefferson (1st round pick), JaMarr Chase (likely 1st round pick), and Terrace Marshall (another potential first rounder). Being that they never even faced an offense all year that comes within 200 yards close to where LSU's was ranked, I don't know if defensive schematics from 2001 would matchup very well with college football's high-octane offenses from 2008-present.

'08 Oklahoma probably could have scored 40 on '01 Miami's defense, '18 Oklahoma could score 50.

Jesus, what fucking planet do you live on? '08 OU scored 60+ points 5 straight games against Charmin-soft Big-12 D's...they scored 14 vs UF in the title game. You should seriously slap yourself for saying they would score 40 on '01 Miami. And just because LSU made OU look like an FCS school doesn't mean they're the greatest of all time. You're over compensating big time

 

[RCSooner1974]

Jesus, what fucking planet do you live on? '08 OU scored 60+ points 5 straight games against Charmin-soft Big-12 D's...they scored 14 vs UF in the title game. You should seriously slap yourself for saying they would score 40 on '01 Miami. And just because LSU made OU look like an FCS school doesn't mean they're the greatest of all time. You're over compensating big time

OU was without their most explosive playmaker DeMarco Murray vs. Florida. Read between the lines, I said OU probably could have scored 40. Considering Chris Rix was the best throwing QB that '01 Miami faced all year, it wouldn't be farfetched to assume Sam Bradford would have had a modest game against that defense. Miami would have scored at will against our defense, but our offense would have performed well enough to turn the game into a shootout.

I'm basing this solely off opinion, but 2019 LSU was the best looking team I've seen in the last 15 years. It's not crazy to argue they could be the greatest of all time considering how dominant they were down the stretch vs. elite teams.

 

[kujirakira]

Their defense was nowhere near good enough to be greatest of all time.

 

[Nutriaitch]

Vanderbilt had the 125th scoring offense, and were terrible throughout September (even against trash teams). They lit up LSU.

Ole Miss was ranked 82nd. They scored 17, 14, 41, 37 & 20 pts down the stretch. The 37 was vs LSU (41 vs NMSU).


LSU was a really good team. One of the best teams of the past few decades. They were nowhere near as consistently great as Miami.

in our defense, 14 of those points scored by Ole Miss were after we had a 3 TD lead in the 4th qtr.

 

[NFBuck]

Comparing 2001 Da U and 2019 LSU is apples to oranges. That was a different era in CFB. Offenses scoring 40 pts/550 yards per game were a unicorn then. Take Miami's talent in 2001 and plug it into a modern offensive scheme and god knows what kind of video game numbers it puts up.

 

[jwinslow]

Comparing 2001 Da U and 2019 LSU is apples to oranges. That was a different era in CFB. Offenses scoring 40 pts/550 yards per game were a unicorn then. Take Miami's talent in 2001 and plug it into a modern offensive scheme and god knows what kind of video game numbers it puts up.

It's not a coincidence to see the transformation in guys like Jalen Hurts or Tanner Morgan. Fields is far better than those two as a passer, but drop them into Miami's offense and he's not putting up the video game numbers he does in Day's system. The same thing goes for a guy like KJ Hill at receiver.