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Manning can't win the big one yet again...

I don't think you can put the blame on Peyton Manning. Time of possesion was ridiculous and you have to put that blame on Indy's defense. New England was just the better overall team. Being a Browns fan, I am excited watching that New England defense. Peyton will prevail eventually.....Look at John Elway.
 
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NOTREDAMECHIEF said:
Did any of you guys watch the post-game show and see that Boomer called Manning the next Marino? Man I thought old Dan was going to come right out of his seat!! The next time they had Marino on camera !!!THE LOOK ON HIS FACE !!WOW!!
Actually I think it's the next Dan Fouts. He'll put up ungodly numbers (it was fun watching Air Coreyall, after all), probably have at least one HOF receiver (Harrison), but will never get to a Super Bowl like Marino, and may never get to a championship game frome here in if he has to go through NE in the divisonal round every year. Greatest QB ever on the Patriots? Nah, I don't think so. His numbers wouldn't be as good, but he would have won 3 or 4 Super Bowls. So, you could put him in with Brady and Aikman then, but that's still not the greatest ever.
 
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I'll do an ultra rare "I agree with NDchief" on this one.

I understand the idea that Peyton Manning isn't soley responsible for a loss, we all know that, however thats the nature of football: big time QB's get too much credit for a win and too much blame for a loss.

That said, ask yourself this simple question and answer truthfully. One game scenario, your life is on the line and you get to pick your QB do you take Manning or Montana?

This is a no brainer for me but I'll be interested to see what people think.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
I'll do an ultra rare "I agree with NDchief" on this one.

I understand the idea that Peyton Manning isn't soley responsible for a loss, we all know that, however thats the nature of football: big time QB's get too much credit for a win and too much blame for a loss.

That said, ask yourself this simple question and answer truthfully. One game scenario, your life is on the line and you get to pick your QB do you take Manning or Montana?

This is a no brainer for me but I'll be interested to see what people think.
ill take manning because i will tell him before the game that he was my fantasy QB and i rooted for him for every game.

for montana all i could tell him was that i hate ND and i cursed him twice as a kid while my dad (a bungles fan) screamed at the TV. i dont think he would play too hard for my life :biggrin:
 
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ALL IN THE (MANNING) FAMILY....

All Eyes on Arch Manning to Extend Family's QB Dynasty


Arch Manning is the 15-year-old nephew of Peyton and Eli, and may well surpass his passing forebears.

Nelson Stewart had it played perfectly, or so he thought. A few plays into his team's spring game last May, the coach slipped in his eighth-grade quarterback, hoping no one would notice. Stewart soon learned just how long he could keep the latest member of the sport's most fabled family under wraps.

On his very first play Arch Manning audibled at the line of scrimmage, took the snap out of the shotgun and then floated a 25-yard touchdown pass into his receiver’s outstretched hands, video of which garnered more than 2 million views on ESPN’s social media platforms. So much for no one noticing. “As soon as he dropped back and threw it, I knew it would exceed expectations,” Stewart says. “It was crazy. That’s foreshadowing.”

Arch is really good at throwing a football, which shouldn’t be much of a surprise. He is the namesake of grandfather Archie, a college All-American and the Saints’ star quarterback for a decade; the son to Archie and Olivia’s oldest child, Cooper, a former Ole Miss signee; and the nephew of Peyton and Eli, future Hall of Famers who have each piloted teams to two Super Bowl victories.

Dozens of college coaches showed up last spring to watch Arch practice. As a 15-year-old freshman he threw for 34 touchdowns during the regular season, more than any QB in the football hub that is the New Orleans metro area. Random men approached him before games for pictures. Two posed as working photographers just to share a sideline with Arch. They were escorted off the field.

Arch has the rich stats, the regal last name and the right build—he’s already 6' 2", 170 pounds—to be one of the most coveted prospects in the 2023 recruiting class. Yet he has zero scholarship offers.

The reason? His family has declined them.

arch-manning-newman.jpg


Four miles west of the cobbled streets and raucous music halls of Bourbon Street, the 117-year-old Isidore Newman School sits quietly behind wrought-iron gates in the charming Uptown neighborhood. Prized locally as one of Louisiana’s elite secondary education institutions, Newman is known nationally because of one name: Manning.

Archibald Charles Manning is the fourth member of the family to play football for Newman. You don’t have to remind him. A retired jersey representing his father and two uncles hangs outside the team’s fieldhouse. He lines up for home games within a sports complex that bears his surname. The school’s highest athletic honor is called the Manning Award. Arch occupies the position that his grandfather played with guts and flair, one that also helped make Peyton and Eli No. 1 picks in the NFL draft.

Yet neither of Arch’s fabled uncles started until their sophomore seasons at Newman. After coach Joe Chango watched Arch complete 19 of 27 passes for 203 yards and two touchdowns against his Country Day School team this fall, he recalls telling Archie on the field, “That dude is going to be better than any one of your sons.”

Arch led the Greenies to a 9–2 record, completing 64.5% of his throws with just six interceptions, and surpassed 200 yards in all but three games. He can dance in the pocket, cycle through his progressions and spin the ball like an old pro. Arch is a “slam dunk for the future,” says Frank Monica, whose St. Charles team beat Newman last season. “His release is so pure, you marvel at the fact that he’s just 15.”

Consider a few moments from the 39–0 win over Cohen High. Arch slipped out of a would-be sack to lob a swing pass over a defender’s head. He zipped a pair of precise slant passes, hit a receiver in stride on a go-route and whistled one into a wideout’s chest on a deep crossing pattern for a touchdown. His demeanor was not of a novice but a veteran, walking slowly to the sideline and revealing his youth only when he slipped off his helmet—a bushel of curly brown hair and sparkling green eyes.

“When it’s all said and done, he’s going to be the most highly recruited player out of the state of Louisiana,” says Mike Detillier, a longtime NFL draft analyst based in New Orleans. “It’s going to be a tsunami of recruiting like we’ve never seen.”

For now, though, there isn’t a ripple in sight. In an era of attention-seeking recruits and spotlight-craving parents, the Manning camp has gone dark. Coaches interested in extending a scholarship have been politely told not to bother. “We just say, ‘There’s no offer to give because there’s no offer to receive,’” says Stewart, 42, in his 14th year as Newman’s coach and a teammate of Cooper’s and Peyton’s in the 1990s.

Arch is not on social media, and he’s never done an interview. Except for a few benign comments, the usually accessible Mannings declined to speak about Arch for this story or to make him available. “They’re very private and protective of Arch,” says John Georges, a New Orleans businessman who owns the state’s two largest newspapers. “As much as they try to keep a lid on it, there’s a buzz. Certain people know how to raise thoroughbreds. The Mannings know how to raise athletes.”

arch-manning-throwing.jpg


Earlier last fall, a boy was with his father inside Newman’s gift shop when a tall, skinny teenager entered. “Dad,” the boy whispered to this father, “that’s Arch.”

Arch is unassuming and quiet, those close to him say. He wants to be as normal as possible, but—as the first freshman ever to start at quarterback for Newman—he is not. He won the job over senior Beau Adams, who then emerged as one of the team’s best receivers. There is no tension between Adams and Arch. “Beau would drive him home during the summer,” Stewart says, then pauses, “because Arch isn’t old enough to drive.”

On road trips Arch rode the freshman bus; during pregame warmups he stood at the end of the stretch line with the other rookies, towering over the veteran players in front of him. He even attended the school’s junior varsity games. Why? “Those are his buddies,” says Stewart.

Arch isn’t the only Manning at Newman. Older sister May plays volleyball and younger brother Heid is a center on the eighth-grade football team. Their father was a receiver here, serving as Peyton’s primary target. Cooper signed with Ole Miss before having to retire from football because of spinal stenosis, a narrowing of the spine that also required multiple operations.

Aside from a stiff neck, Cooper, a real-estate executive, is fine today. He attends Newman games with his wife, Ellen, and his parents, who watch the oldest boy among their nine grandchildren. Peyton even returned to see the Greenies play last fall. Images of his visiting with Arch swept across social media—Arch in his green 16 jersey, the same number Peyton wore at Tennessee.

Since his early days at quarterback, Arch has displayed a keen focus and calm that remind many of Peyton, but he far surpasses his uncle in one attribute: mobility, says David Morris, who began working with Arch as a sixth-grader. The Mannings trust Morris, a backup to Eli at Ole Miss and the founder of the Mobile-based training facility QB Country. (Morris declined to speak with SI before Cooper cleared the interview.) “Young quarterbacks usually hesitate, but Arch doesn’t,” says Morris. “His ability to see it quick and get it out quick is one of the reasons he’s playing so well.”

If Arch is ever struggling with fundamentals, he doesn’t have to look far for pointers: His grandpa lives just up the road. Archie isn’t a boastful person by any means—“too much of a gentleman” to brag, says a close family friend—but he makes an exception when the subject is Arch. Since his grandson’s flag football days, Archie has often acknowledged, “He’s really good, really good.”

Archie frequently shares a story with friends about the time Arch asked him for advice on quarterbacking a team. The most important quality is leadership, Archie told him: “You must take command of the huddle.”

“Pop, that ain’t going to work,” Arch replied. “We don’t huddle.”
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Entire article: https://www.si.com/high-school/2020/02/11/arch-manning-next-generation-eli-peyton
 
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ALL IN THE (MANNING) FAMILY....

All Eyes on Arch Manning to Extend Family's QB Dynasty


Arch Manning is the 15-year-old nephew of Peyton and Eli, and may well surpass his passing forebears.

Nelson Stewart had it played perfectly, or so he thought. A few plays into his team's spring game last May, the coach slipped in his eighth-grade quarterback, hoping no one would notice. Stewart soon learned just how long he could keep the latest member of the sport's most fabled family under wraps.

On his very first play Arch Manning audibled at the line of scrimmage, took the snap out of the shotgun and then floated a 25-yard touchdown pass into his receiver’s outstretched hands, video of which garnered more than 2 million views on ESPN’s social media platforms. So much for no one noticing. “As soon as he dropped back and threw it, I knew it would exceed expectations,” Stewart says. “It was crazy. That’s foreshadowing.”

Arch is really good at throwing a football, which shouldn’t be much of a surprise. He is the namesake of grandfather Archie, a college All-American and the Saints’ star quarterback for a decade; the son to Archie and Olivia’s oldest child, Cooper, a former Ole Miss signee; and the nephew of Peyton and Eli, future Hall of Famers who have each piloted teams to two Super Bowl victories.

Dozens of college coaches showed up last spring to watch Arch practice. As a 15-year-old freshman he threw for 34 touchdowns during the regular season, more than any QB in the football hub that is the New Orleans metro area. Random men approached him before games for pictures. Two posed as working photographers just to share a sideline with Arch. They were escorted off the field.

Arch has the rich stats, the regal last name and the right build—he’s already 6' 2", 170 pounds—to be one of the most coveted prospects in the 2023 recruiting class. Yet he has zero scholarship offers.

The reason? His family has declined them.

arch-manning-newman.jpg


Four miles west of the cobbled streets and raucous music halls of Bourbon Street, the 117-year-old Isidore Newman School sits quietly behind wrought-iron gates in the charming Uptown neighborhood. Prized locally as one of Louisiana’s elite secondary education institutions, Newman is known nationally because of one name: Manning.

Archibald Charles Manning is the fourth member of the family to play football for Newman. You don’t have to remind him. A retired jersey representing his father and two uncles hangs outside the team’s fieldhouse. He lines up for home games within a sports complex that bears his surname. The school’s highest athletic honor is called the Manning Award. Arch occupies the position that his grandfather played with guts and flair, one that also helped make Peyton and Eli No. 1 picks in the NFL draft.

Yet neither of Arch’s fabled uncles started until their sophomore seasons at Newman. After coach Joe Chango watched Arch complete 19 of 27 passes for 203 yards and two touchdowns against his Country Day School team this fall, he recalls telling Archie on the field, “That dude is going to be better than any one of your sons.”

Arch led the Greenies to a 9–2 record, completing 64.5% of his throws with just six interceptions, and surpassed 200 yards in all but three games. He can dance in the pocket, cycle through his progressions and spin the ball like an old pro. Arch is a “slam dunk for the future,” says Frank Monica, whose St. Charles team beat Newman last season. “His release is so pure, you marvel at the fact that he’s just 15.”

Consider a few moments from the 39–0 win over Cohen High. Arch slipped out of a would-be sack to lob a swing pass over a defender’s head. He zipped a pair of precise slant passes, hit a receiver in stride on a go-route and whistled one into a wideout’s chest on a deep crossing pattern for a touchdown. His demeanor was not of a novice but a veteran, walking slowly to the sideline and revealing his youth only when he slipped off his helmet—a bushel of curly brown hair and sparkling green eyes.

“When it’s all said and done, he’s going to be the most highly recruited player out of the state of Louisiana,” says Mike Detillier, a longtime NFL draft analyst based in New Orleans. “It’s going to be a tsunami of recruiting like we’ve never seen.”

For now, though, there isn’t a ripple in sight. In an era of attention-seeking recruits and spotlight-craving parents, the Manning camp has gone dark. Coaches interested in extending a scholarship have been politely told not to bother. “We just say, ‘There’s no offer to give because there’s no offer to receive,’” says Stewart, 42, in his 14th year as Newman’s coach and a teammate of Cooper’s and Peyton’s in the 1990s.

Arch is not on social media, and he’s never done an interview. Except for a few benign comments, the usually accessible Mannings declined to speak about Arch for this story or to make him available. “They’re very private and protective of Arch,” says John Georges, a New Orleans businessman who owns the state’s two largest newspapers. “As much as they try to keep a lid on it, there’s a buzz. Certain people know how to raise thoroughbreds. The Mannings know how to raise athletes.”

arch-manning-throwing.jpg


Earlier last fall, a boy was with his father inside Newman’s gift shop when a tall, skinny teenager entered. “Dad,” the boy whispered to this father, “that’s Arch.”

Arch is unassuming and quiet, those close to him say. He wants to be as normal as possible, but—as the first freshman ever to start at quarterback for Newman—he is not. He won the job over senior Beau Adams, who then emerged as one of the team’s best receivers. There is no tension between Adams and Arch. “Beau would drive him home during the summer,” Stewart says, then pauses, “because Arch isn’t old enough to drive.”

On road trips Arch rode the freshman bus; during pregame warmups he stood at the end of the stretch line with the other rookies, towering over the veteran players in front of him. He even attended the school’s junior varsity games. Why? “Those are his buddies,” says Stewart.

Arch isn’t the only Manning at Newman. Older sister May plays volleyball and younger brother Heid is a center on the eighth-grade football team. Their father was a receiver here, serving as Peyton’s primary target. Cooper signed with Ole Miss before having to retire from football because of spinal stenosis, a narrowing of the spine that also required multiple operations.

Aside from a stiff neck, Cooper, a real-estate executive, is fine today. He attends Newman games with his wife, Ellen, and his parents, who watch the oldest boy among their nine grandchildren. Peyton even returned to see the Greenies play last fall. Images of his visiting with Arch swept across social media—Arch in his green 16 jersey, the same number Peyton wore at Tennessee.

Since his early days at quarterback, Arch has displayed a keen focus and calm that remind many of Peyton, but he far surpasses his uncle in one attribute: mobility, says David Morris, who began working with Arch as a sixth-grader. The Mannings trust Morris, a backup to Eli at Ole Miss and the founder of the Mobile-based training facility QB Country. (Morris declined to speak with SI before Cooper cleared the interview.) “Young quarterbacks usually hesitate, but Arch doesn’t,” says Morris. “His ability to see it quick and get it out quick is one of the reasons he’s playing so well.”

If Arch is ever struggling with fundamentals, he doesn’t have to look far for pointers: His grandpa lives just up the road. Archie isn’t a boastful person by any means—“too much of a gentleman” to brag, says a close family friend—but he makes an exception when the subject is Arch. Since his grandson’s flag football days, Archie has often acknowledged, “He’s really good, really good.”

Archie frequently shares a story with friends about the time Arch asked him for advice on quarterbacking a team. The most important quality is leadership, Archie told him: “You must take command of the huddle.”

“Pop, that ain’t going to work,” Arch replied. “We don’t huddle.”
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Entire article: https://www.si.com/high-school/2020/02/11/arch-manning-next-generation-eli-peyton



 
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