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McMullen Released by the Eagles

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LouisHMartinez said:
Wells and Clarett had almost 2600 yds and 30 td between them.
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Exactly. Maybe , just maybe, the coach runs an offense that does'nt require a 'blue chip' qb,to succeed. Considering we have not seen a Tressel QB yet, I fail to see how you can complain about his qb's.

You may be giving yourself too much credit for your football knowledge.

How many National Championship teams have you coached? Congrats on those Championships.
 
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LouisHMartinez said:
Qbs don't choose OSU because of Tressel's offense, glad you've got that figured out 3yacod.
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Humm, let me tell you what I know Louie.

1) You are a liar. You stated (in a PM) that you are a newbie to the internet and have only posted on one other site. You also claimed that you had never been banned from OSU web sites. I think the information about you posting under multiple aliases and being banned from multiple sites is pretty conclusive. I think that your 20 or 30 posts in your very first day here shows that you are very familiary and comfortable with posting, even thought you haven't a clue about what your are posting. For shame Louie.

Oh, and my acronym SHOULD be 3yaacod, you're missing an "a", but why should you get something correct at this late stage in the game? Also, (Mr. internet newbie, I don't frequent other sites) what does the "od" stand for in the acronym you gave me? My designation SHOULD be 3yaac. Again, don't bother telling the truth at this late stage of your delusion.

2) You are a fool. As with several other members, you keep trying to give me neagative reputation points. As has been pointed out, you don't have enough "clout" to give anyone negative points. Nice try Einstien. Why don't you just post your comments in the open forum for all to see? That probably ruins your plan to become a fool in the eyes of each and every member, "one member at a time".

3) You are making excuses and changing your story because you picked a terrible position on a topic you know even less about. Now you are too stubborn and silly to admit you are wrong and move on. When faced with the argument that you make "Tressel can't obtain top flight QB talent", several members prove that Tressel and the Bucks are INDEED getting top flight QBs into the system. Now you'd like us to think that they didn't come because of the offense. News flash, who cares why they came, they are here and Tressel is the Coach they chose to play for. I'll bet that just just irritates you to no end.

LHM: Zwick came to OSU because of his brother.
Wow, that's too stupid to even be funny. It's more pathetic than anything. This must be the thought process you see Justin Zwick going through:

Zwick: Gee, I've got all these offers from the best football programs in the country. I don't really want to go to OSU because their offense will never showcase my talents. In fact, I'll probably lose my lifelong goal of playing in the NFL by playing at OSU. At the very least my talents will be so hindered there that I'll drop many places in the draft and lose millions of dollars. This is just WRONG, WRONG, WRONG ... but my big brother wants me to go to OSU. OK. Screw my future, I'm going to OSU just because my big bro thinks I should. Hey, while I'm at it, I'll call as many top recruits as possible and see if they join me in ruining our careers at OSU. Yes! :lol:

Smith: Oh, woe is me. I'm an elite 11 QB, but NOONE will give me a chance to play. Why? Not even those MAC schools that LHM thinks are QB factories will give me a shot. Heck, I'd never stand a chance competing for a job at legendary QB schools like Purdue or Michigan State. What should I do? Well, I don't like Jim Tressel or his offense ... AND he just signed one of the best QBs in the country. If I get to play the offense will never suit my abilities. If I ride the pine my dream of the NFL goes up in smoke too. Screw it, I'm going anyways. :lol:

Bauserman: Forget football, my only dream is to play baseball. Sure I could stay in the sunny south and practice my sport year-round. I could sign with any number of the baseball powerhouses from the south. Train and compete against the best year-round. Play in the NCAA tournament every year, get national exposure and recognition from playing at a perenial power. But hey, OSU offered me in football. I think I'll just go there and hang out. I'll never play footbll, and that will give me lots of free time ... because I won't be able to play baseball either for large portions of the year. This way my draft position will be put in doubt as my skills get rusty during the long off season and lack of training. But who cares ... I love ice skating! :lol:


Thanks for the laughs Louie ... moron.
 
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I'm not a liar nor a fool or moron

I am who I say I am.

So what if I give you negative reputation points ? It's my opinion that I didn't like your posts.

There's reality than there's spin regarding OSU's ability to bring in topnotch Qb talent, with me being the former and your takes being the latter.
 
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Since Tressel has not developed one of his own qb's yet, you can't really say anything yet.

But you keep telling yourself you're right, and sooner or later you may be.

It's not JT's job to develop pro qb's, it's to win championships.

Next time I see JT, I'll be sure to tell him your displeasure with his development of pro ready qbs.

Now, get in your mouse and get outta here.
 
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LHM, thanks for the reputation boost...

I'm still waiting for you to demonstrate your football acumen. By the way, my post count is only an indicator of my time spent on this forum, nothing more or less as you have so cleverly suggested (very sophomoric by the way).

For the board's edification and scrutiny, here is a portion of my take on Coach Tressel and OSU QBs.

Tressel selects/recruits QBs who can make good decisions, execute the offense without turning over the ball, show toughness, and make things happen with their feet when the option of attempting a pass no longer becomes a good decision. Does this always happen? No, of course not, or OSU’s starting QBs would never throw interceptions or fumble the ball.

Krenzel had his struggles early in the 2004 Fiesta bowl and the entire game against <st1:City><st1:place>Cincinnati</st1:place></st1:City>. However, he also made play after play throughout the 2002 and 2003 seasons on 3rd and 4th downs in the biggest games. You can always point to exceptions, but it is those exceptions that prove the rule. 24 wins is the rule, 3 losses is the exception as a starter for Krenzel.

Could have McMullen performed better had he been the full-time starter? We will never really know and we can only point to a small body of evidence to argue both sides.

Unfortunately LHM has decided to solicit opinions as fact and revise history in an effort boost a poor position or come off as understanding the game. Imagine what contributions to the forum could be made if that twisted creativity were actually channeled towards rational arguments.
 
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Brutus1: without Clarett, Tressel's teams are 18-7, 0-2 against Wisconsin, 1-1 against Michigan, and with: a) no conference title, b) no Rose Bowl appearance or win, and c) no national championship appearance or win. Does that sound like success to you ? And I have this feeling that this year's team is going to struggle a bit like in 2001 and that means that being like 26-12 sans Clarett, which is below .700 for a winning percentage. Lets see a show of hands how many would think that's success ? Youngstown State ball won't work at Ohio State.

NaplesBuckeye: when have Elite 11 Qbs been synonymous with collegiate or NFL success ? I think you've got a hardon over some camp that doesn't really matter. BTW, when did it start ? I imagine there might be a reason Cooper and Bruce had about zero Elite 11 camp attendees between the two of them, like it hadn't even been started while they were coaching or if it was, it wasn't for long (started up during Coop's time). Slam on either as you may like but they had far better Qbs, passing offenses, and overall offenses than Tressel has yet displayed. Why don't you walk out the offensive statistics for the last 3 years ?
 
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NaplesBuckeye: when have Elite 11 Qbs been synonymous with collegiate or NFL success ? I think you've got a hardon over some camp that doesn't really matter. BTW, when did it start ? I imagine there might be a reason Cooper and Bruce had about zero Elite 11 camp attendees between the two of them, like it hadn't even been started while they were coaching or if it was, it wasn't for long (started up during Coop's time). Slam on either as you may like but they had far better Qbs, passing offenses, and overall offenses than Tressel has yet displayed. Why don't you walk out the offensive statistics for the last 3 years ?[/QUOTE]

That is exactly why I stated that Cooper never had a Top Ten National QB recruit (as the Elite 11 or any other National QB camp wasn't yet established). The point that I am trying to make is that there really is no better National guage than Elite 11 QB camp RIGHT NOW.....Perriloux,Paulus Schoenhoft, Sanchez, Christensen and the kid that verballed Nebraska from Clearwater are all ranked as Top 10-15 QB's by virtually every publication, not just one.

Leak, Olsen, Zwick, Lee, Bomar and others have all made the camp and were all highly recruited as QB's nationally. They all had 30-50 scholie offers unless they committed very early and told other schools to beat it. I am not saying that there aren't QB's that are better or that will go on to have a better career that aren't part of the camp. However, when one speaks of recruiting and when one speaks of a qb situation where there hasn't been enough snaps to evaluate a QB (see OSU) then that is all we have to go on. There is a reason that these Elite 11 Qb'as have offers from 30 some schools and others don't. There is a reason that 4 and 5 star qb's get offers from everone NATIONALLY and others don't. You have to make some safe bets and these kids are more likely to produce than others.

It is simple logic.....I guess you can play devils advocate and go against Recruiting analysts, the HS coaches that vote kids all state, the College coaches that recruit and offer these kids, and the NFL scouts, GM's and Directors of Player personnel that draft these kids. Of course you know more than them....why wouldn't you?
 
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Show me the collegiate successes from out of the camp and show me the NFL successes from out of those camps. That's all I'm asking, NB. I don't think it's quite as automatic as you think. And why can other schools develop less heralded Qbs than what OSU gets ? That's troubling to me.
 
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LouisHMartinez said:
Brutus1: without Clarett, Tressel's teams are 18-7, 0-2 against Wisconsin, 1-1 against Michigan, and with: a) no conference title, b) no Rose Bowl appearance or win, and c) no national championship appearance or win. Does that sound like success to you ? And I have this feeling that this year's team is going to struggle a bit like in 2001 and that means that being like 26-12 sans Clarett, which is below .700 for a winning percentage. Lets see a show of hands how many would think that's success ? Youngstown State ball won't work at Ohio State.
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Uh, Louie, I believe Clarett missed 3 games in 2002 and only played 1Q, with 4 carries against Penn St.,so I'll count that too. So, you've show your stupidity again by stating Tressel is 18-7 without Mo C. That would be 22-7,
with the record in the last 17 games without Mo. at 15-2. Pretty impressive, huh? Thought so.
This thread is not about Mo C anyway. Mo C came to OSU because of Tressel. Who cares about the QB not being a blue chipper (you don't count because your football iq is in single digits) ? It's all about the wins!

"Youngstown State ball won't work here at Ohio State"

That's a really smart quote, Corky, considering he's already proved it can work. 2002 National Champions !!!!!!!! Now, go flush all your stupid pills down the toilet before you overdose.
 
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Clarett missed games against mighty Cincinnati (need a tipped ball on fourth down by Wilhelm in the endzone to ensure victory, winning by 4), Illinois (overtime against a 7 loss team), and Minnesota (who did they beat that year, subtracting all cupcakes ?), a proverbial whos who of college football. If you want to count the Penn State game, then include the fact that OSU didn't score a single offensive touchdown and would've lost if not for Gamble's pick return for a touchdown. Yes, OSU's offense didn't miss him, I bet you bought that all of last year too you dimwitted fuck.

Tressel ball went 7-5 without Clarett and didn't beat UM, win conference, or play in Rose Bowl too. Without the greatest running back in school history, Tressel hasn't accomplished much, with nearly 30 draft picks, more than any other school during that time. Would you be satisfied ?
 
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IF,IF,IF. If you were a lawyer, you'd never win a case because you can't win an arguement.

You're about as sharp as a bowling ball. :huh: :huh:

How many Rose Bowls did he win with Mo C. ? Brilliant arguement, Albert.
 
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