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Miami Heat (3x NBA Champions )

Discussion in 'Professional Basketball' started by buckeyesin07, Oct 6, 2010.

  1. buckeyesin07

    buckeyesin07 Veni. Vidi. Vici.

    Whether there's a salary cap or not is immaterial to whether one team is able to have so many stars that it destroys the competitive balance of the league. scarletmike's point is a valid one.
  2. WolverineMike

    WolverineMike Senior

    how is it destroying the competitive balance of the league? They haven't won anything yet?

    comparing them to the Yankee's is inaccurate
  3. buchtelgrad04

    buchtelgrad04 Pain is an opinion.

    How is it NOT destroying the competitive balance? Of course they haven't won anything many opportunities have they had?
  4. 3074326

    3074326 Urban Legend

    If you can't see why the comparison to the Yankees is valid, I don't know what to tell you.

    When stars are forcing the teams' hands, competitive balance is gone. We're already seeing the players force teams to do what the player wants (Carmelo).

    It's pretty obvious that teams like the Cavs will have to build through the draft and hope they get someone like Durant (or a Joe Mauer-type if we're talking baseball) who seems to be one of the few willing to stay in his hometown to build his own legacy.

    The comparison to the Yankees was clearly not made for financial reasons.. it was made because all the superstars go there. It's what's going on in the NBA. The Knicks, Celtics, Heat and Lakers are going to be like the Yankees and Red Sox of baseball.
  5. WolverineMike

    WolverineMike Senior

    if they win three in a row, how is it any different then watching the Bulls, Spurs, Celtics, and Lakers in the last 20 years?

    The NBA has been dominated by about 5 teams over the last 30 or so years. So what's one more. People are just pissed because of the way Bron left Cleveland, end of story. If he had been playing on the Clippers and did all this, nobody would even care anymore.
  6. 3074326

    3074326 Urban Legend

    Did superstars leave to go to those places and play together? It's entirely different.

    I didn't even mention Lebron in my post. It's pretty clear that something is wrong with the NBA. If you don't see it, you're being a homer.
  7. WolverineMike

    WolverineMike Senior

    Bosh or Bron did not forced anybodies hands. They didn't demand to be traded anywhere. They were all free agents and signed with Miami. I totally agree with you that what Melo did, and what Kobe did to get Pau to LA is ridiculous. BUt that's not what happened here.

    80% of the teams have to build through the draft.

    everything is financial when it comes to the Yankees. They BUY the best players year in and year out in order to field the best team. Players don't take pay cuts to play for NY, they take more money to go there.

    and judging by what's happening in this years playoffs, the Lakers and the Celts are on the outside looking in of the youth movement in the NBA.
  8. WolverineMike

    WolverineMike Senior

    did those teams sign free agents every year in order to have better talent? and kobe refused to sign with Charlotte and forced a trade to LA so he could play there. it's been going on for awhile
  9. 3074326

    3074326 Urban Legend

    Kobe forced himself into LA. He was drafted by the Hornets. Carmelo forced himself to NY. Bosh and Lebron joining Wade in Miami isn't forcing their teams' hands, but the Cavs had no other option. He held them hostage because he wouldn't commit, and they couldn't get good players around him without making trades. They did as good of a job as they could - they showed they'd do whatever it takes to get the Cavs a title. He bolted anyways. When players leave to create a super-team even when their previous team did everything it could to be as good as possible, competitive balance is fucked.

    Yes, this is the way it has always been as well. My point was that superstars leaving their draft teams to build these super teams screws up what little balance there was even more.

    The comparison is that superstars end up there. Again, we aren't talking about money. The comparison is made because they're super-teams. We know the Yankees buy them. The Yankees also play baseball. Both of those things are completely irrelevant in this discussion. We aren't talking about how they get there. We're talking about the quality of basketball being awful when four teams are going to get every superstar.

    I've already heard plenty of rumors about seeing Dwight Howard in LA.

    EDIT: I might sound bitter, I don't care. The superstars of the NBA have made me not care about the league at all, and that's all the proof I need.
  10. Buckeye86

    Buckeye86 I do not choose to discuss it

    Don't feed the trolls.
  11. buchtelgrad04

    buchtelgrad04 Pain is an opinion.

    Actually, Lebron DID force the Cavs' hand. If you care to know why I say that, I will elaborate.

    Behind the scenes, that's exactly what happened. Conspiring years before your contract is up to join forces in an agreed upon location is against NBA rules, as well.

    Don't pull percentages out of your ass.

    If you don't believe these moves were partially motivated by money, then there's no reasoning with you. Stars in the NBA don't make the majority of their money on the court. They took a pay cut ON the court, but will maximize their earning potential off of it. Do you disagree?

    I wouldn't call it a "youth movement," it's more or less a youth revolt.
  12. WolverineMike

    WolverineMike Senior

    all fair points by everyone. one thing we can all agree on, is it now a PLAYERS LEAGUE. Whereas 20 years ago is was all about the TEAMS.
  13. scarletmike

    scarletmike Researching the Magic!

    Which is helping to ruin the fucking game because its a TEAM sport, not an individual sport. That's also why I hate most modern pro sports fans, because they have no concept of team. You want individual sports? Stick with golf, UFC, that acting shit they call wrestling, and other such sports. Don't ruin a great team sport with this superstar shit.
  14. WolverineMike

    WolverineMike Senior

    can't argue that, although I'll still watch the sport
  15. ScarletBlood31

    ScarletBlood31 Buckeye in Blacksburg

    Bitter much?

    Hate him if you want, but the guy is good at his job. Beasley, at the time of the draft, was viewed as a potential #1 overall pick and the consensus best player in the draft not named Derrick Rose. The fact that he turned out to be a bust was just unfortunate for Miami. As far as being a cheapskate, and building cap space to sign other All Star players, well, that's called being a businessman. They may have had a few down years, but he worked his way into bringing the 2-time league MVP, along with another All Star PF, to join his own elite SG in Wade. His job is to get the best players he can on the team so that they have a competitive advantage over the other teams in the league, and that's exactly what he did.

    With all that said, fuck the Miami Heat. I hope they never win an NBA title and that LeBron James goes down as the biggest disappointment in NBA history.

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