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Michigan Coaching Speculation

HailToMichigan;1031201; said:
To answer the questions about recruiting, I'd refer you back to mgoblog. Excellent points made about RR's recruiting abilities, which essentially boil down to this: West Virginia is a state completely barren of college talent, so RR was always having to battle the big boys in PA and OH for players from those states. Now he has all those well-established connections, right in his own rivals' backyard, plus he can recruit in-state talent, plus he isn't recruiting them to Morgantown, WV, which is huge.

When you think about it, it's easy to criticize him for not having stellar recruiting classes, but what business does West Virginia have in even playing with the big boys? Sure, the Big East is not a powerhouse conference, but places like Louisville, Syracuse, Pitt....shouldn't these be more attractive destinations than Morgantown, WV? When a Pittsburgh or a Youngstown recruit lines up his choices, West Virginia shouldn't even be on the map up against JoePa at Penn State, or Columbus, or maybe some place like Tennessee or Virginia Tech. But WVU is right up there. Might not be the choice in the end, but they probably don't have any business being on the list in the first place.

I'm betting the recruiting will not be a real big issue.

From what I have seen of RR recruiting isn't his problem. How can a guy who plays it as fast and loose as he does with recruiting rules have a problem recruiting?

No its the big game choking, the lack of fundamentals, the lack of physical play and the one trick pony nature of his gimmick offense that scUM fans should be worried about.....not the recruiting.
 
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My last parting shot... bye Llllloyd, I'll miss you...

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To answer the questions about recruiting, I'd refer you back to mgoblog. Excellent points made about RR's recruiting abilities, which essentially boil down to this: West Virginia is a state completely barren of college talent, so RR was always having to battle the big boys in PA and OH for players from those states. Now he has all those well-established connections, right in his own rivals' backyard, plus he can recruit in-state talent, plus he isn't recruiting them to Morgantown, WV, which is huge.

True, but he was also recruiting kids that none of the other schools wanted, because of grades, etc.......WVU didnt care. They are WVU. Standards are gonna be much higher at Michigan, or maybe not, forgot who I was talkin about there for a minute :biggrin:
 
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HTM the last couple of days have RR and his staff members, while still in the pay of WVU steering prospects to another institution of interest - to them - before they were paid by that institution.

Technically that is a form of acting as a booster I guess (as Oh8ch expounded it earlier) but unlikely to draw red flags or an NCAA investigation. Still damned sleazy, as an aside it shows a lack of understanding of the pull they would have once firmly in AA.

Other than that the main rap against Rodriguez are the borderline (or worse) characters he fed into the WVU system. (Of course, you are counting on a hooker's conversion on that score :))
 
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sandgk;1031419; said:
HTM the last couple of days have RR and his staff members, while still in the pay of WVU steering prospects to another institution of interest - to them - before they were paid by that institution.

Technically that is a form of acting as a booster I guess (as Oh8ch expounded it earlier) but unlikely to draw red flags or an NCAA investigation. Still damned sleazy, as an aside it shows a lack of understanding of the pull they would have once firmly in AA.

Other than that the main rap against Rodriguez are the borderline (or worse) characters he fed into the WVU system. (Of course, you are counting on a hooker's conversion on that score :))
Well, it's not against the NCAA recruiting rules to recruit assholes. And nobody holds Maurice Clarett against Tressel. (I know, I know....Clarett was one guy, WVU has several characters. Point is still valid, I think.)

And as for the call to Pryor and maybe other recruits, RR informed him that he'd tendered his resignation to WVU and was going to Michigan. Nothing more, nothing less. That's my story and I'm sticking to it, anyway. One of those gray areas that looks iffy, the lawyers would have a field day with, and the NCAA would err on the side of caution and not punish anyone. Not the first time a gray area has ever popped up in the maze of lawyerese that is the NCAA recruiting code. A very shaky basis to peg RR as a guy who "plays fast and loose with the rules."
 
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2theadvocate.com | Sports | Michigan beat Ohio State over the weekend. — Baton Rouge, LA

Michigan beat Ohio State over the weekend.

Don’t look for a score on any Web site or in Big Ten Conference standings, but the Wolverines handed their arch-rivals, the Buckeyes, their second loss of the college football season — and their most devastating.
It won’t show up officially until Jan. 7, but it’s there. Done. Trust me.
Michigan hired Rich Rodriguez from West Virginia, whose choke job Dec. 1 against Pitt opened the door for LSU to play for the national championship.
Rodriguez completed the favor to the Tigers by accepting the job of coach of the Wolverines during weekend negotiations.
That agreement removed the final threat to LSU’s chances Jan. 7 against Ohio State: ongoing, poisoning speculation that Les Miles would abandon the Tigers soon after to coach at his alma mater.
Michigan has a coach now. So does LSU, it should be obvious to everyone (even “The Sports Reporters” on ESPN and several other columnists).
Miles spoke to reporters Monday afternoon to kick off LSU Media Day for the BCS national championship game and a return to the practice field. The absence of tension in the fifth-floor conference room, for the first time in a long time, was owed to another absence.
The cloud hanging over LSU’s head since early September — “Is Miles going to Michigan?” — was gone. Miles, looking more relaxed than he has in weeks, addressed that situation after giving a brief scouting report on Ohio State.
“I’m also happy, to be honest with you, that Michigan has picked a quality coach,” Miles said, prompting knowing laughter.
“I can also tell you that I have a Michigan background that will never change. I will be loyal to that memory and to that school.”
Miles, the former player and assistant coach for the Wolverines, called for Michigan alumni to support Rodriguez. Then, he turned to LSU’s business for the remainder of the 40-minute news conference.
The signals from Miles and LSU players — smiling, confident and eager — put front and center the notion that for them and the entire LSU football family, everything from now until Jan. 7 points toward New Orleans and the championship game.
Ohio State’s task just became extraordinarily more difficult.
LSU will be the LSU of September — healthy, fresh, deep — minus concerns that Kathy Miles is looking at houses in Ann Arbor, Mich.
Because Michigan’s search for a coach, seemingly in big trouble a week ago, is over and won’t drag on through LSU’s preparations, there is nothing to prevent the Tigers from handing Ohio State a second consecutive defeat at the hands of an SEC team in a BCS national championship game.
As the rest of the country came to grips Sunday and Monday with the reality that Miles is going nowhere but New Orleans, LSU Athletic Director Skip Bertman laughed at the last echoes of the Miles-to-Michigan talk.
When reporters from Michigan asked Bertman last week why he was so confident Miles would stay at LSU, Bertman stunned them with an answer that struck them as the height of naivet?.
 
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Because Michigan?s search for a coach, seemingly in big trouble a week ago, is over and won?t drag on through LSU?s preparations, there is nothing to prevent the Tigers from handing Ohio State a second consecutive defeat at the hands of an SEC team in a BCS national championship game.

You know, why should we even fucking play the game against such a vastly superior (two-loss) opponent?
 
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Not only did RR just beat you guys in advance for 2008, 2009, and racked up a couple pre-emptive TD's for 2010, and begin the process of stealing your best potential recruit and probably damn near everyone else from the state of Ohio for the next 5 years, we're also about to proxy-whoop you in the NC game. And next year's Iowa game, because by then Ferentz will have recovered from the crushing blow of not getting to leave Iowa and be fully out for revenge - on OSU.

Just be glad you're not playing Ball State. Hoke didn't just help out with the search, he actually interviewed. Distractions galore in Muncie. Man, think how focused they'd be for this now that they don't have to worry about losing their coach.

The dual-head-coach system rears its ugly head. Like I said - SCREWED.
 
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HailToMichigan;1031482; said:
Well, it's not against the NCAA recruiting rules to recruit assholes. And nobody holds Maurice Clarett against Tressel. (I know, I know....Clarett was one guy, WVU has several characters. Point is still valid, I think.)

This is equivalent to Godwin's law on here, you lost.
 
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WVU officials blamed for coach leaving

WVU officials blamed for coach leaving
Tuesday, December 18, 2007
By Chuck Finder, Pittsburgh Post-Gazette
The wealthy donors primarily responsible for keeping Rich Rodriguez as head football coach at West Virginia University 53 weeks ago are angry and frustrated over his departure this week for the University of Michigan.
Their ire isn't directed at Mr. Rodriguez.
It's aimed at WVU administrators.
"I tell you what, I've never seen anything mishandled as much as this was," Bob Reynolds, former chief operating officer of Fidelity Investments, said yesterday. "Here's a university that made a $200,000 decision -- it probably could've cost less than that [to keep Mr. Rodriguez] -- and it's going to cost them millions" in booster support, potential bowl money and revenue from football success.
"I've had calls from at least six major contributors to the program, and they're all done [donating] because they know the Mickey Mouse things that have gone on there," Mr. Reynolds continued. "I've been in business 36 years, and it's the worst business decision I've ever seen. I've been the COO of a 45,000-person company. When somebody's producing, you ask, 'What can I do for you to make your life better?' Not 'What can I do to make your life more miserable?' They have no idea how big this is. It's frightening."
Mr. Reynolds declined to discuss it, but one source said he informed university officials yesterday that he planned to withdraw $12 million in donations he pledged to the school.
Earl G. "Ken" Kendrick Jr., a part owner of the Arizona Diamondbacks and benefactor to the WVU College of Business and Economics and other colleges in his home state, said: "I'm severely disappointed in leadership. I'm discouraged by the decision-making and lack of judgment. And the lack of respect for key employees -- because this isn't just about Rich, he's just the most high-profile one. It's a sad story. It's compelling to me as somebody who's given emotional and financial support to the university. And it makes it questionable to me as I go forward."
Mr. Rodriguez, both at the top of his program's prestige and other colleges' candidate lists, made what he considered relatively simple requests. However, his employers considered them "gun-to-the-head" demands because he already had the Michigan offer, said one source close to the administration.
All agree that the details separating the two sides had nothing to do with Mr. Rodriguez getting richer.
In separate meetings with Athletic Director Ed Pastilong, Chief of Staff Craig Walker and, finally, late Saturday night with newly installed President Mike Garrison, he asked the university to do the following:
• Allow at least an additional $100,000 in bonus money for his assistants.
• Allow scholarship players to retain possession of textbooks at the end of each term, which meant they could have sold them, as apparently happens at other programs.
• Waive a $5 ticket fee for each high-school football coach attending Mountaineer home games, a fee that generates an estimated $5,000 for the university each season.
• Hire seven graduate assistants and a new recruiting coordinator, to ease the duties performed by secondary coach Tony Gibson.
"You could do them in 15 minutes," Mr. Reynolds said of the wish list.
Those supporters, who pledged millions last December for the six-year, $1.9 million-per-year contract that helped to keep Mr. Rodriguez from accepting the University of Alabama coaching position, offered to absorb the additional costs. Their offer was denied.
"It is frustrating to me that when push came to shove, we weren't included in a possible solution," said Wheeling, W.Va., lawyer Dean Hartley, who last year donated toward VIP seating added to Mountaineer Field. "We were not asked to do anything that would bridge the divide that had developed obviously between the administration and Rich. Over the weekend, I've just been bitter over the way it was handled, especially knowing that it wasn't about Rich getting a raise."
"[Mr. Rodriguez] was flabbergasted, because this did not have to happen," said Mr. Reynolds, a Boston-area resident who also donated toward the new academic center that was part of Mr. Rodriguez's deal last December. "It just became political, and he didn't think he was supported. And I don't blame him."
Some of the items discussed were part of the contract extension signed Aug. 24, more than eight months after the details were first hammered out last December. Mr. Rodriguez's representatives maintain that university administrators agreed to other requests that haven't been met, though they decline to publicly specify them. In short, it means Mr. Rodriguez might contest the $4 million he owes WVU to buy out his contract, by claiming the university acted in bad faith or fraudulently.
The search for a new coach to replace Mr. Rodriguez, a Grant Town, W.Va., native who went 60-26 and to five bowls in seven seasons, began yesterday.
The only known candidate to step forward is former Auburn coach and current ABC/ESPN announcer Terry Bowden, son of former Mountaineer coach Bobby Bowden. Sources said Virginia Tech defensive coordinator Bud Foster and former Mountaineers assistant head coach Rick Trickett of Florida State may soon come to Morgantown to interview for the vacancy.
Other possible candidates mentioned include Penn State defensive coordinator Tom Bradley; Huntington, W.Va., native Jim Grobe of Wake Forest; Central Michigan coach and former Mountaineers assistant Butch Jones; Virginia Tech defensive coordinator Bud Foster and former Mountaineers assistant head coach Rick Trickett of Florida State and Florida State offensive coordinator Jimbo Fisher.
The West Virginia boosters have become close to Mr. Rodriguez and acknowledged that he grew depressed -- one described it as despairing -- over the 13-9 loss to Pitt that cost the Mountaineers a chance to play in the national championship game.
Mr. Hartley said he found it "amazing" that in the last year, WVU lost its basketball coach, John Beilein, to Michigan; the head of the Mountaineer Athletic Club, Whit Babcock, who was instrumental in last December's rally that kept Mr. Rodriguez, to Missouri; the swimming coach, Sergio Lopez, after winning the Big East title, to a Jacksonville, Fla., high school swimming program; and women's soccer coach, Nikki Izzo-Brown.
One college where she reportedly interviewed? The same place where Mr. Beilein and Mr. Rodriguez work.
"Maybe we should be a farm system," Mr. Hartley added, "until our coaches get good enough that they can coach at Michigan."
Chuck Finder can be reached at [email protected] or 412-263-1724.
First published on December 18, 2007 at 12:00 am
 
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