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Jaxbuck said:
I was at my son's baseball games all day but got home in time to see the ending of this glorious cluster fuck.

I said almost those exact words to my son as it was unfolding. Anyone who still thinks Martyball (which is where Tresselball really comes from) is the surest way to victory just doesn't understand odds and risk.

Baseball teams finally came around to the understanding that 27 outs in a 9 inning game is the constraint the drives everything. Giving away those outs is the worst/dumbest ass thing you can do (for all the sac bunt fans out there)

College football coaches are incredibly slow in understanding that both teams are going to get about 12-14 offensive possessions per game. Giving away any of those possessions is about the worst/dumbest ass thing you can do.
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Tresselball is rooted in clock management and field position.
If anything, you're taking away possessions from both teams.
Id posit a different angle. Both teams are going to get around 250-350 yds of offense in a game. If you only need to go 60yds for a TD and 30yds for a FG... while your opponent has to go 80/50 ... you have a big advantage.

But neither of those neatly fits the 27outs example.
I think it's more about the athletes you have access to and the most efficient way you can use them.
Tressel had a large range of elite defenders and linemen available to him, but struggled to consistently get elite skill positions nationally... we were kinda lucky the way QBs lined up from Krenzel to Brax.
Thus lent itself to a run heavy clock controlling defensive gameplan.
Urban's ability to recruit nationally was a game changer.
The balance of power has also swung to offense, but that's cyclical.
 
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kujirakira said:
Tresselball is rooted in clock management and field position.
If anything, you're taking away possessions from both teams.
Id posit a different angle. Both teams are going to get around 250-350 yds of offense in a game. If you only need to go 60yds for a TD and 30yds for a FG... while your opponent has to go 80/50 ... you have a big advantage.
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You only have an advantage if you convert your yards (or possessions) to points. Every possession you score with has the same effect of reducing the opponents margin of error or, essentially, reducing their number of possessions. Klatt actually touched on it during the IU game yesterday. Once you get up by X scores and the opponent only has Y possessions left it just becomes a function of math.

But neither of those neatly fits the 27outs example.
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If I score more points with my 12 than you score with your 12, I win in football. If I score more runs before getting to 27 outs than you do, I win in baseball. It's not an exact comparison obviously but it starts to get people focused on the key constraint of the game; offensive possessions.


I think it's more about the athletes you have access to and the most efficient way you can use them.
Tressel had a large range of elite defenders and linemen available to him, but struggled to consistently get elite skill positions nationally... we were kinda lucky the way QBs lined up from Krenzel to Brax.
Thus lent itself to a run heavy clock controlling defensive gameplan.
Urban's ability to recruit nationally was a game changer.
The balance of power has also swung to offense, but that's cyclical.
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I think you have to have a fundamental level of athlete, no doubt, but to me it's always about focus from the coaches. When you adopt the mindset that it's ok to just pin 'em deep and run a rested defense out there then you are in trouble.

Almost anyone can be competent on offense these days because the rules of the game have changed in offenses favor and the coaching at the lower levels is so good, kids come into college skilled and ready to contribute.

I don't think those changes are cyclical, I think they are structural.
 
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I think the time has come to use a promotion/relegation system in the BIG as Sparty is failing at an ever more impressive rate. Maybe a little 10 conference would even help the fighting harbraughs win a share of a division title that they can point to after they lose another 10 straight to coach Day. We could also use the system to force the West teams to actually come to Columbus more than once a fucking decade. If we somehow manage to shit the bed on your field you are promoted to the BIG East and must come to a Columbus the following year.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
ahh the familiar chorus of "didn't take it to the next level" after "that period we punched above our weight class"

How many times do we see the quadrennial contender club team/fans fall for the myth that their absolute apex is just their new floor?
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Truly one of the most immutable aspects of human nature

Every culture on Earth seems to think that the 15 minutes during which their borders were at their largest determines what is “rightfully” theirs; any diminution thereof is stealing.

There are very few exceptions, all of which are interesting only to me.

The point is: this is the college football version of that.

Indiana gets Anthony Thompson, they’ve permanently overtaken Ohio state

VPI gets mike Vick, they’re the new standard for football, the never ending dynasty

And around and around the wheel turns

The Buckeyes keep winning championships

It’s great to be a Buckeye
 
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