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MLB General Discussion (Official Thread)

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DZ83CK said:
The Astros went from losing over 100 games in 2011-13 to winning over 100 a year from 2017-19. I see Houston's rise as more cheating-connected than the Red Sox, who while also cheating have been consistently competitive and Cora only managed them for 2 years. There will certainly be some more investigation into the 2018 Red Sox for sure.
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I don't know. Houston stockpiled an incredible amount of young talent during those lean years. I think they may well have still won it without the cheating. They have a ton of talented players. But now it's all tainted. Just stupid.

What's shocking is how deep this goes. It wasn't just some rogue coach and/or player. It looks like they had an entire system. I know it would never happen, but if mlb wants to test out the relegation deal, here's your franchise. Banish the fuckers. Red Sox too if it runs deep there. (I know the idea of mlb banishing a flagship franchise is ludicrous, but a boy can dream)
 
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NFBuck said:
I don't know. Houston stockpiled an incredible amount of young talent during those lean years. I think they may well have still won it without the cheating. They have a ton of talented players. But now it's all tainted. Just stupid.

What's shocking is how deep this goes. It wasn't just some rogue coach and/or player. It looks like they had an entire system. I know it would never happen, but if mlb wants to test out the relegation deal, here's your franchise. Banish the fuckers. Red Sox too if it runs deep there. (I know the idea of mlb banishing a flagship franchise is ludicrous, but a boy can dream)
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Yes, their talent improved significantly, but at the same time the cheating gave them an extra boost over some other franchises. Also, I think it is pretty well known that the Astros are also coaching their pitchers to use a substance to help them spin the ball better. But a lot of big league pitchers do something similar, and the MLB is not really serious about policing it, so that is less scandal and more exploiting a gray area that the MLB should address if they are serious about truly leveling the playing field. It is amazing how some guys have gotten incredible boosts on their spin rates since joining the Astros, guys in their 30s when they came to Houston. That isn't a coincidence.

And don't forget, the Astros also had a confederate filming the opposing dugout from the media bay. Dude was not a media member and got in there and taped opposing dugouts to feed the Astros intel.
 
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My understanding, I could be wrong since I haven't felt like spending a bunch of time on it, is the Astros were only able to do this at home games.

Odd thing about that, if true, is they had a better road record than home in 2017 and again in 2018. In 2019 they were much better at home.
 
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Jaxbuck said:
Devils advocate; if they were so effectively and copiously stealing signs, why have they only won a single WS?
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The same reason the Yanks and Dodgers can’t win many lately even with all the money that they spend over the next closest teams? Sometimes it can get you there but it’s not a guarantee. Unless you’re CC Sabathia. He deals in certainties.
 
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CFPBuckeye said:
Sometimes it can get you there but it’s not a guarantee.
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but that's my point. Even if it's just home games, quality MLB hitters actually just sitting on pitches they know are coming should be a shelling of any starting pitcher in baseball.

Not every hitter in every AB of course, sometimes they'll still hit it at someone or whatnot but look at hard hit rates on fastballs in fastball counts for all of baseball type of metrics.They'd have to be approaching those kind of numbers if they had a foolproof system for tipping pitches.
 
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The LA City Council says that MLB should strip the Astros and Red Sox of their WS titles and give them to the Dodgers, thus proving that people in LA don’t have brains. A reasonable thought would conclude that the Dodgers should have played other AL teams in place of the Astros and Red Sox in the WS and that beating those other teams is not guaranteed. Maybe the AL teams in the Astros and Red Sox place should have won the WS. Nah. That’s ludicrous.
 
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CFPBuckeye said:
The LA City Council says that MLB should strip the Astros and Red Sox of their WS titles and give them to the Dodgers, this proving that people in LA don’t have brains. A reasonable thought would conclude that the Dodgers should have played other AL teams in place of the Astros and Red Sox in the WS and that beating those other teams is not guaranteed. Maybe the AL teams in the Astros and Red Sox place should have won the WS. Nah. That’s ludicrous.
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The ol DFBIA vs Louisville basketball theory.
 
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