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Well, you've maintained your baseball credibility with me by keeping Dimaggio and Mantle out of the top-10. But they didn't maintain their numbers over a long enough period to justify a top-10 spot.

Are you still planning on going through the top 25?
 
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That's reasonable... I mean it gets tougher after that...

Then you've got to start making those tough distictions between the great old timers (Wagner, Speaker, Lajoie type guys), the later more power era guys (Mantle, Dimaggio, Banks, Maybe Frank Robinson) Maybe Consider the guys who had brilliant but shorter Careers (Greenberg, Kiner, Clemente)... And try to work in some of the Newer Guys... (Where's Rickey?... Ken Griffey, Mike Schmidt... whoever you like)
 
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BB73: "Well, you've maintained your baseball credibility with me by keeping Dimaggio and Mantle out of the top-10. But they didn't maintain their numbers over a long enough period to justify a top-10 spot."

I think Joe D & Mickey should crack the Top 20, but I'm not sure yet. I haven't looked at it close enough.

"Are you still planning on going through the top 25?"

Yes. I threw together a bunch of players on an Excel sheet & plan on going through it. Its going to get a lot tougher from here on out, however.

I was also toying with the idea of a Top 25 Pitchers list.

AKAK: "Then you've got to start making those tough distictions between the great old timers (Wagner, Speaker, Lajoie type guys), the later more power era guys (Mantle, Dimaggio, Banks, Maybe Frank Robinson) Maybe Consider the guys who had brilliant but shorter Careers (Greenberg, Kiner, Clemente)... And try to work in some of the Newer Guys... (Where's Rickey?... Ken Griffey, Mike Schmidt... whoever you like)"

Wagner, Speaker, and Lajoie will make the next ten, for sure. Robinson and Rickey will also be somewhere in there as well.

Like you said, its going to be difficult to make distinctions. For the Top 10, its relatively easy: you pick guys with dominance AND longevity, and now you're making trade-offs: Joe D was dominant for a short time, while Frank Robinson maybe wasn't as good, but he did it for a longer time.
 
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AKAKBUCK said:
That's reasonable... I mean it gets tougher after that...

Then you've got to start making those tough distictions between the great old timers (Wagner, Speaker, Lajoie type guys), the later more power era guys (Mantle, Dimaggio, Banks, Maybe Frank Robinson) Maybe Consider the guys who had brilliant but shorter Careers (Greenberg, Kiner, Clemente)... And try to work in some of the Newer Guys... (Where's Rickey?... Ken Griffey, Mike Schmidt... whoever you like)
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Frank Thomas, Tadahito Iguchi, Michael Jordan,...
 
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One thing that's interesting about the list, is that only 1 of the top 6 guys (Cobb) has 3,000 career hits.

AKAK has a good list for additional guys; I think that Mel Ott and Mark McGwire also need to be considered. I think my boyhood hero Al Kaline will miss out.
 
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bb73: "I wonder if we'll be leaving that town for pick number 10?"

Staying in St. Louis, MO for Player # 10, we have none other than:

10. Stanley Frank Musial. "Stan the Man." Musial was an offensive machine. There's really no other way to put it. I think I'm gonna get carpal tunnel typing this write up:

Stats:
Wow. 1,949 Runs (9th All-time), 3,630 Hits (4th), 6,134 TB (2nd), 725 Doubles (3rd), 177 Triples (19th), 475 Homers (23rd), 1,951 RBI (5th), 1,599 Walks (11th), & a .331 lifetime average (30th). Musial led the National league in OBP, SLG, Hits, & Total Bases 6 times each, Runs & Triples 5 times each, Doubles EIGHT times, RBIs twice, and Bases on Balls once. Interestingly enough, for all his greatness & 475 Homers, Stan never won a Home Run Title. Hm.

He had over 100 runs 12 years in a row, 200+ hits six times, 10 seasons with 100+ RBI, and hit .300 or better in 17 seasons. What more can you say? Musial even lost a year of his prime in 1945 to military service.

Awards:
20 time All-Star, 3 time NL MVP ('43, '46, & '48), 7 time Batting Champion, & 2 time TSN Player of the Year ('46 & '51).
 
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A long time ago, I read this interesting trivia. Let's see if anyone can get it..

We all know that the defense needs to get 3 outs in an inning. But there's a situation (probably more than one situation, in fact) where the defense should prefer to get 4 outs in the inning. The defense can get the 3 outs and say "all done!" but getting the 4th out saves one run or more. Does anyone know of this situation?
 
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With runners on base and two outs, the third out strikes out swinging. However, the pitch gets by the catcher allowing the runners to advance. The catcher must recover the wayward pitch and throw the struck out batter at first, or they retire the next batter for a "fourth out" in the inning. Close?

...Crap, I type too slow... beat to it.
 
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