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I have sent Herbie a letter of encouragement for which he sent a nice reply. Kirk is a Buckeye to the core and any opinion he gives about Ohio State is only shielded by a cloak of objectivity...yet his passion still manages to shine through.

If I were mic'd during some of our losses this year, you would hear comments wanting EVERY OSU player short of Nugent, off the team. You would hear me saying I hate Tressel and that I wanted all of our coaches out on their butts. I say these things in the heat of the game, not because I believe them but because I am so attached to this team that it rips my heart out when they don't acheive to their capability. After an OSU loss, all I can do is think about it for the rest of the week.

Kirk Herbstreit is the same way after a game...it eats at him. He thinks about all the stupid things that happened and wonders how we can fix it. Then he is mic'd and put up in front of a national audience and asked his opinion on the team he is so dissapointed with.

For better and for worse, we have the voice of a true fan on a national stage. Sometimes this can be good for the University and sometimes it's not as good. I don't always agree with everything anyone says, but there are a few things I believe are ABSOLUTE TRUTH:

1. Kirk Herbsreit is one of the most passionate Buckeye fans you'll ever find.
2. Outside of occasional OSU-skewed commentary, he remains fair, balanced and extremely insightful as an analyst. He is one of the best
3. NO ONE deserves to receive the kind of critisism Kirk and his family has endured. When you are in the midst of a hard time, it should be your family (In this case, Buckeye fans) that backs you up and supports you...family should never tear you down.

I also think that this huge "ESPN conspiracy" theory that many of you have is getting a little old. ESPN would go after any University with the kind of fan base and national noteriety that tOSU has. They want ratings, listeners, stories and controversy. I won't deny that they have falsified reports to hurt the University, but all of it is in the interest of greed and profit...not just to spite us. To think that a company like ESPN is willing to throw away money in a mass conspiracy to kill a sports program, is an extremely narcissistic point of view. Wait this out and think about it the next time you laugh about and believe reports about other schools.
 
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Since an opinion is specific to a person, then all of those terms you highlighted are just as applicable to that individual
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True... but we're not in an 'individual forum'.... (Lets think about what it is as we move to the next part of this post. :biggrin: )

we can discuss our differing opinions to try to reach some sort of consensus.
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Also True... but no consensus was going to be reached when the discussion was 'joined' by this:

Sorry on this one I don't agree! Herbdick is pushing his luck and has crossed the line of a true buckeye. I don't know if JT or another staff member pissed him off or he is simply trying to impress his colleagues. But he is not impressing me or a lot of true Buckeye fans. Bottom line is there is no twisting of words here, Geigers 100 % right! One other thing about ineffectiveness, I have seen much improvement over the last four weeks on offence haven't you? In edition Anything negative said on our website could not land us that next great recruit. Herbstreit says these things on live TV ... not to mention on the GAMEDAY show.
Fuck herstreit!
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Now--- this isn't the kind of stuff that leads to discussion of the validity of opinions.. nor is it especially objective in nature... at least in the way it progresses in its own 'logic' (True Buckeyes v Not True Buckeyes)

Obviously things get worse from there... but... that's how it goes sometimes. :wink2:
 
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I will never understand these people who can't deal with Herbie doing his job. If being a "true" buckeye fan means I need to throw reason and maturity out the window, I guess I can't be a "true" fan.


You people bashing Herbie remind me of any Oklahoma fan. Get a goddamend grip, homers.
 
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AK, you have to account for the fact that we all have varying levels of intelligence and civility as well: Penguin is not the sharpest needle in the haystack, and he was obviously pretty pissed, but he also represents the opinion of many other Buckeye fans (and opinions are by definition not objective). But you (that's the 'ubiquituous' you) only exacerbate the situation by heaping insults on the kid...


Herbie is a public figure and should expect to be a target for criticism, whether deserved or not; my biggest criticism is probably his thin skin.
 
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Those that were talking shit about Herbstreit didn't need to issue a death threat to him in order to have crossed the line. There's a big difference with disagreeing with his calling out the offense/staff, and with saying he's not a Buckeye and slanders like "Fuck Herbstreit".
 
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Hey, it's a free country, with free speech: while threats are not protected forms of speech, people are free to say "Fuck whomever" and "this guy's not a true whatever" all they want. That's a harsher critique than I'll personally make, but nobody has to love anybody just for being a Buckeye.
 
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Agreed. Also, there's nothing wrong with Herbstreit picking tOSU to lose in any game. He is being paid to be an "expert" analyst, and holding to his loyalties instead would be the opposite of what many of you desire. If he stayed loyal to his clan, then he'd also have to stay loyal to ESPN, which lives and dies by ratings. So the alternative to making a mostly unbiased choice of OSU losing a particular game is to have him choose based on loyalties and I already explained why that's a problem.

I didn't like him saying OSU seemed to be more important than the NCAA or whatever he said, but I still take the guy in terms of his overall alliance to tOSU. He has stayed fairly true despite being a long-time member of ESPN which I am sure is pressuring him to become a little less partisan.
 
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There will definitely be a void in Columbus' sports-radio universe if/when Herbie decides to give up the Big Show...
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That is certainly a true statement. I listen to 610 whenever I can hear it and Ian Fitzsimmons (sp) leaves a whole lot to be desired. But that's just my 2 cents on it. Losing Herbie would definately hurt.
 
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MililaniBuckeye said:
Maybe we should ferret out all the fuckers on this site that were bitching about Herbstreit, and send their IP addresses to Herbstreit so he could have police investigators track their asses down. Think I'm fucking joking?
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sounds like a plan to me. while there may be no death threats on this board, tieing statements together here to other web pages can create a pattern and help determine the risk.

herbie doesn't run espn. secondly, he is on the inside looking out while we are all on the outside looking in. it stands to reason that our perception of the events will be different. secondly, you don't have to agree 100% with your company to work for them. though you are generally required to keep your mouth shut beyond your immediate supervisors when you don't. not only would herbie be fired if he came out and blasted espn like we all would like him to. but he would never work for a news agency outside of columbus again if he did. cut the guy some flippin slack.
 
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Herbie is doing his job!

Herbie is a member of the media. He is paid by ESPN and by WBNS. He should not be made to be an unpaid apologist for tOSU football program. DT and AG are very capable of speaking for themselves, if they have something to say they can do it. Herbie does not deserve death threats for a problem he didn't cause. Maybe by being on the air in Columbus some fans feel he should be a cheerleader. His job is to report and give his opinion, if you don't like what he says turn him off. Herbie is not responsible for the MC story, the TS story, ey.al. He is not an employee of tOSU.
 
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