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Lordjeff

I'm shocked that anybody would say anything about the sexpistols.
I loved "Never mind".
To this day I still like listening to some punk bands. My son introduced me to a really good punk band a few years ago called NOFX. I still can listen to some of it.
NOFX has a little more of a Ska sound to it, but it's still good stuff.
 
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I ment to put the Germs, for some reason I put the Cramps....I wish I could have had Darby spit on me or burn me with a smoke..lol

I read a book about some of their performances at the Whiskey...they pretty much ended all punk from being allowed to play there
 
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kinch, actually I was a DJ during that era. Moby damn near invented house music and some of his stuff back around 89-90 was pretty industrial. He's diverted into the pop stream alot more in the past decade but back then he was pretty out there on his creations. From some of that came industrial music.

I was gonna list Sex Pistols but I thought London Calling was a bit more "garage band to mainstream" sort of an album. Sex Pistols were friggin apeshit back then. It's so hard to believe that most of the surviving members actually became good parts of society.

anyways, I've always liked NIN and still do but if you want to give the nods for most direct influence then I think you have to look at Ministry and Skinny Puppy over NIN since Trent took what they had already done and expanded it into what an audience could digest a little easier.
 
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Tupac only flamed the fan though he has some incredible ability to muster up damn near anything and make it sound good, the thug life would be responsible for the deaths of thousands of black people all over the country. Music that spawns death isn't music, it's propaganda.
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I totally disagree about your Tupac argument. Tupac wanted peace more than anything, so your attack on him saying he promoted gangs and blacks to kill each other is crazy. He wrote about what he saw, which is why his lyrics are so harsh, because he lived that. Many of his songs promote change and peace, even his motto "THUG LIFE" set up rules to make up a better society.

And when you say that "Music that spawns death isn't music, it's propaganda" you make it sound like Tupac made his songs on purpose so his people would kill each other, which is laughable. Maybe you can clear that up.


also..

NWA. No Whites Allowed
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No Whites Allowed?? How about Niggas With Attitudes.
 
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Goofy:

Yeah okay. Some tracks on Moby and Everything is Wrong had an industrial edge. I'll meet you midway. :)

"All that I Need is to be Loved" has an industrial flare, for instance. . .

Overall, I'd stick him in techno back then.. .

You spun, do you remember Plasticman? King of techno in the states (or midwest) before techno hit. . . I always felt Moby was a refined, bigger version of him.
 
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Yeah, I remember Plasticman..god, I haven't heard that name in a very long time. You are right, he did create alot of the techno back then and I think Moby was a bit of a spinoff from him. The thing about Moby which you probably know is, he was getting big in some clubs before he even created an album. I gotta give credit to anyone that can have such a big influence on a certain genre of music before he even makes a studio album.

About Tupac...I'll admit that I don't know everything he's done so I can't give you a real deep synopsis of his work. I know he rapped about peace and he spoke about what he saw on the streets. however, he wouldn't be dead right now if he didn't live out some of his thug like "fantasies" or whatever you want to call it. The guy was always getting shot at and from what I know, he was very much into the gansta style in his real life as he was in alot of his music. I don't think he was asking people to kill eachother but I am totally convinced that he intended to make this image up to sell records. I don't understand the need to romanticize a certain life that's obviously bad for people even after you've made it big and you're life has changed completely. If you really want peace then you would drop that attitude and the gansta style and move on with something positive and stay with it. That's not what he did at all. He was still the "fuck with me I'll fuck with you type" and many, many, many people bought into that and looked up to Tupac as if he were their god or parent or something. Now, if Tupac was aware of this and how could he have not been, then by continuing to live out the gansta life he is creating a propoganda machine to sell his records and make people believe he endorses this type of life. That's what I meant by propoganda. Suge Knight might be the biggest asshole/gansta style person I know of in music and he was one of Tupac's best friends and his business partner.
I don't buy even for a second that Tupac tried hard to be a good person and that is what he was trying to show the world. Hell no. The guy was a thug and wanted to sell records and because of him, alot of people died trying to live out the life they thought Tupac was living out. Kids don't understand the difference in real life and a rapper's life alot of the time.
 
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Everyone has their opinion, and you back yours up well. I'm a huge Tupac fan, so I know that most of his songs deal with his struggles through life. He was a very complex and contradicting character, but through it all, IMO, he was the voice of the african-american movement, much like MLK Jr. Enough proof is offered in his movie titled "Resurrection".

But, that is just my opinion in the end..
 
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Suge Knight was certainly not Tupac's best friend....from what I have read on the subject, the killing of Biggie and possibly Tupac was probably done by a rogue group of black LAPD cops who moonlighted working for Suge. Tupac liked to talk the gangsta talk, but when he went out to LA, he got in over his head w/ the Crips and the Bloods-he liked to rap like a gangsta, but he had never really been in that environment before. Suge owed Tupac quite a bit of $$$ at the time of Tupac's murder, and didn't want to pay......
 
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Tupac and Suge were supposedly "close", however I feel that there was some bitterness from Suge.

Tupac was going to leave Death Row and start his own record company. Suge didn't like that idea at all, plus Suge owed Tupac over $1.5 million.

So, I believe that Tupac's murder was a conspiracy for sure. Either it was set-up by Knight himself (most likely), or the goverment was involved (go ahead and call me crazy). There is also a possibility that Tupac faked his death to escape the life he was leading. It's very strange.
 
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