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WoodyWorshiper;1386138; said:
Yes I do, Gator. I know the movie well, just watched it on AMC the other night. "Pain Don't Hurt" and all that. This thread is just going the wrong direction, for personal matters, and I'll just leave it at that.

Peace.

If saying totally inappropriate things on BP is wrong...
 
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Jake;1384346; said:
Having learned more about cancer over the last 11 years than I ever wanted to know, I'm afraid Mr. Brand won't be with us come 2010. Pancreatic cancer at his age is probably a 6-8 month deal, at best. :(
Well....there's a chance. My grandmother made it 14 months from diagnosis. But sad to say, pancreatic cancer isn't like some more treatable ones. It's a death sentence.
 
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I've lived with this dychotomy for some time. I love Ohio State football, but I know that much of what I see is a facade, beginning with the notion that these are ameture athletes. It is not in the best interest of EDUCATION that these programs continue. I agree with much of what Brand has to say. IF college is as important as we say it is, then why are we paying football and basketball coaches in the 6 and 7 figures while all but a handful of professors make in the 5 figure bracket? What message are we sending to all students; K thru Grad?

The cases where academia has been pushed aside for athletics are many. Situations where athletes receive far more than a scholarship take up multiple pages on this site, but no one asks the important question: Why does a university need to prostitute itself in such a manner?

We might want to consider the wisdom of our favorite coach. Woody was emphatic that he not be paid more than a tenured professor and insisted that he teach both history and football. It created a problem when the university wanted to replace Fred Taylor and couldn't find a coach of reputation who would take a salary package comparable to Hayes'.

And Fred Taylor's problem? He refused to go beyond what the NCAA allowed to attract recruits.
 
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cincibuck;1386268; said:
I've lived with this dychotomy for some time. I love Ohio State football, but I know that much of what I see is a facade, beginning with the notion that these are ameture athletes. It is not in the best interest of EDUCATION that these programs continue. I agree with much of what Brand has to say. IF college is as important as we say it is, then why are we paying football and basketball coaches in the 6 and 7 figures while all but a handful of professors make in the 5 figure bracket? What message are we sending to all students; K thru Grad?

The cases where academia has been pushed aside for athletics are many. Situations where athletes receive far more than a scholarship take up multiple pages on this site, but no one asks the important question: Why does a university need to prostitute itself in such a manner?

We might want to consider the wisdom of our favorite coach. Woody was emphatic that he not be paid more than a tenured professor and insisted that he teach both history and football. It created a problem when the university wanted to replace Fred Taylor and couldn't find a coach of reputation who would take a salary package comparable to Hayes'.

And Fred Taylor's problem? He refused to go beyond what the NCAA allowed to attract recruits.

Thanks for the breath of fresh air, cinci. I love college football, but it's a guilty pleasure for me. Sadly big time athletics are a corrupting influence on higher education. Whether it's smaller universities running money losing programs, Rutgers delusions of big time grandeur in a time of massive academic cutbacks on campus or even programs like Ohio State and USC which, while not sucking financial resources away from the school, nonetheless bring in numerous athletes each year who are completely unprepared to attend a high quality university and are literally thrown away after their eligibility is used up--and yes I include Ohio State who, with a football grad rate of under 60% and a significant grad gap between white and black players, is as guilty of these transgressions as anyone.

I'll grant you that big time athletics does have some positives, but people should not blind themselves to the fact that there are also a lot of negatives involved also. Personally, I don't want to see them abolished, but I will applaud any NCAA official or university president who errs on the side of caution when it comes to keeping the tail from wagging the dog.
 
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September 22, 2009
Who Will Be the Next NCAA President?

By Libby Sander
The National Collegiate Athletic Association has selected one of its own, James L. Isch, to temporarily lead college sports' governing body. But the search has only just begun for a long-term successor to Myles Brand, who served for six years as the organization's president until his death last week of pancreatic cancer.
The first college president to lead the NCAA, Mr. Brand is thought by many to have fundamentally transformed the nature of the position into one that can only be held by an academic. The former president of two large public universities, Mr. Brand brought a different tenor to the NCAA helm, where he often used his bully pulpit to push for stricter academic standards for athletes.
For that reason, many in college sports believe the next NCAA president will be a sitting or former college president. The Chronicle posed the question of who might succeed Mr. Brand to a group of leaders in college sports. From their responses, the following list emerged.
Bernard L. Franklin, NCAA executive vice president. Mr. Franklin was one of four NCAA executives who stepped up to guide the association during Mr. Brand's illness. President of four different colleges before he joined the NCAA in 2003, the largest of which was Virginia Union University, Mr. Franklin knows the ways of the college presidency and the inner workings of the NCAA.
Walter Harrison, president of the University of Hartford. Mr. Brand's closest collaborator on academic reform, Mr. Harrison has shepherded the NCAA's academic policies through their first several years. Though Hartford is not a Division I-A institution, Mr. Harrison was a top administrator for many years at the University of Michigan at Ann Arbor and understands well the issues facing the largest athletics programs.
Gene Smith, athletic director and associate vice president, Ohio State University. If the search committee does stray from the mold of the college president, Mr. Smith, known as a thoughtful leader in college sports, could be a top choice. Ohio State's athletics program has 36 sports, and its budget is among the biggest in the nation. Mr. Smith is admired for his ability to manage it so the program is self-sustaining.
Michael L. Slive, commissioner, Southeastern Conference. Mr. Slive occupies the top seat in the richest and most-powerful athletics conference. A shrewd negotiator, Mr. Slive, who is also a lawyer, inked a highly lucrative media-rights deal between the Southeastern Conference and ESPN last year. The NCAA's television contract with CBS expires next year, so a president with Mr. Slive's deal-making skills could prove useful.
Condoleezza Rice, a former U.S. secretary of state and a professor at Stanford University. Perhaps the most unconventional pick on the list. Ms. Rice is a former provost at Stanford and a passionate fan of college football, and she has the political savvy to handle the high-level negotiations that come with the job. Her name was floated briefly earlier this year when the Pacific-10 Conference was looking for a new commissioner, but she wasn't interested.
 
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