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AKAKBUCK;1097024; said:
It's the deterrent factor. Other players are watching what is happening to Roger Clemens and Barry Bonds, and saying to themselves "shit, I don't want to be that guy." That's what good is coming from this.
I know enough people that hate the NBA. And by "I know," I mean I know what kind of people they are - beyond just their hatred of the NBA. Trust me when I say the "deeper issue" is bigger than people want to admit.
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OregonBuckeye
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mross34;1098958; said:
I'm not following. What are you disagreeing with?
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cbf40 pimping that game's ratings... I didn't watch it, but it was one of, if not THE most interesting regular season game in years. That season simply holds no interest with me, or many casual viewers.OregonBuckeye;1098974; said:
So how many americans can you fit in your box? Millions?sdorm said:
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jimotis4heisman
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i dont rememeber the number or where i saw it but it was all star game ratings the last 7 years. dropping like a stone....
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jwinslow;1098978; said:
The old argument that the NBA is full of thugs, selfish players, and bad free throw shooters isn't just thrown around on a message board. I hear it all the time from co-workers, acquaintences, family and even friends - and there's no coincidence that some of these people are the first to tell a racist joke and the rest are the first to laugh.
Obviously, I'm opining from my experience with the white middle class segment of people I know. Everyone that says they can't stand the NBA tries to come up with some race-neutral reason why they don't watch. No one wants to admit openly that they just don't like watching tv with a court full of 9 black guys and a Euro. So sorry if I have to draw my opinion from resources other than a national census - because it's not as if any of them would admit they were racist anyway.
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OH10;1101877; said:
Well... to some degree... I'm sure some people don't watch the NBA because they are racist... I really don't know... I probably don't watch NASCAR to some degree because I'm an elitist snob that doesn't like "neck car" (It really probalby has very little to do with it, but, whatever)
There is a primary difference here though.
I never watched NASCAR.
However, a lot more people used to watch the NBA. I'm gonna guess ratings were much better back in the late 90's than they are now. Now... did all the people who used to watch it now become racists? I mean, I can't imagine the racial make-up of the league is a whole lot different than it is now. (I'd imagine if you count the Euro's there are probably more "white" guys).
And... leave out the "thug" part and you might have a legit gripe. No?
I think a big part of the issue, really, was that need in the NBA to draft the "next big thing" to some degree too. Just too many kids got taken right out of HS and were given a bazillion dollars to suck. And in a sport with 12 guys on the roster and 5 of them on the floor at a time, its hard for them to hide, you know? I mean, for every Kobe Bryant and LeBron James, how many Kwame Brown's, Darius Miles and Darko Milicic's are there? (I'm not jsut picking on HS guys, I'm talking about generally guys who ONLY have potential and no polish... ) I think that's turned people off as much as anything else... and its not just disliking the players themselves, you know? I sympathize with the GM's too.. I mean they don't want to miss out on the next Jordan... I think the problem is that the League at soem point just became too full of very talented guy who weren't very good basketball players....
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ScriptOhio
Everybody is somebody else's weirdo.
I thought that this was a very interesting article. There is a lot of luck in shaping the various NBA teams.
Sports' two most intriguing words: What if?
By Bill Simmons
At the end of my Basketball Blog two weeks ago, I wrote about the chain of events that led to Kevin Garnett being traded to Boston. What if the T-Wolves hadn't betrayed KG by quietly shopping him before the 2007 draft? Would Garnett still be stuck in Minnesota? Would he have become the biggest target during the trading frenzy this winter? Did the KG deal create a domino effect that ended up changing the destiny of five 2008 contenders?
Certainly, it's one of the NBA's great "What ifs?" of this decade? So where does it rank in the top 15? I'm glad I asked. Here's one man's list in reverse order:
15. What if Carlos Boozer never screwed over Cleveland?
This saga becomes more astounding over time: Inexplicably (the version in which you believe Cleveland would just walk away from an option year worth $700,000 and allow Boozer to become a restricted free agent for no good reason) or explicably (the version in which you believe the Cavs made an illegal handshake deal to "forego" Boozer's option year, allow him to become a restricted free agent, then sign him to a $41 million deal), the one thing we know is Boozer used his newfound leverage to sign a six-year deal with Utah for $68 million and screw over Cleveland's benevolent, blind owner in the process.
Look what's happened since:
Entire article: ESPN Page 2 - The Sports Guy: It's time to play 'What if?'
Sports' two most intriguing words: What if?
By Bill Simmons
At the end of my Basketball Blog two weeks ago, I wrote about the chain of events that led to Kevin Garnett being traded to Boston. What if the T-Wolves hadn't betrayed KG by quietly shopping him before the 2007 draft? Would Garnett still be stuck in Minnesota? Would he have become the biggest target during the trading frenzy this winter? Did the KG deal create a domino effect that ended up changing the destiny of five 2008 contenders?
Certainly, it's one of the NBA's great "What ifs?" of this decade? So where does it rank in the top 15? I'm glad I asked. Here's one man's list in reverse order:
15. What if Carlos Boozer never screwed over Cleveland?
This saga becomes more astounding over time: Inexplicably (the version in which you believe Cleveland would just walk away from an option year worth $700,000 and allow Boozer to become a restricted free agent for no good reason) or explicably (the version in which you believe the Cavs made an illegal handshake deal to "forego" Boozer's option year, allow him to become a restricted free agent, then sign him to a $41 million deal), the one thing we know is Boozer used his newfound leverage to sign a six-year deal with Utah for $68 million and screw over Cleveland's benevolent, blind owner in the process.
Look what's happened since:
- A. Boozer blossomed into an All-Star power forward and one of the best 20 players in the league, someone who would have been the perfect sidekick for LeBron James.
B. Because Boozer bolted Cleveland, that eventually left the Cavs with a ton of cap space ... and, um ... (take a deep breath, Cavs fans) ... the Larry Hughes, Damon Jones and Donyell Marshall signings. Ouch.
C. Had they kept Boozer and signed Jones as well, the Cavs could have been the first NBA team to start two players with visible chest hair since the 1953 Fort Wayne Pistons.
Entire article: ESPN Page 2 - The Sports Guy: It's time to play 'What if?'
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daveeb
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The NBA is gaining some popularity. The league isn't completely filled with thugs like Ron Artest anymore. European players who know how to pass the ball and make free throws are coming over. The fact that players can gain one more year of maturity in college helps. However, the league won't be in a full upswing until the Eastern Conference is perfectly balanced with the Western Conference. This year, the lack of balance has just gotten out of hand.
Baseball is a very regional sport. It matters more to people in the Northeast than it does to people in other regions of the country. There is little to no parity in the league, due to no salary cap. However, the fact that there is no salary cap enables Major League Baseball to get in all the money from the New York and Boston markets, which is helping them get close to catching up with the NFL in money.
Football is has not been on the downswing, is not on the downswing, and nor will it be on the downswing for a very, very long time. To say otherwise is preposterous. The league is fairly popular to highly popular in 32 cities in America.
Hockey is better this year than it was the first year after the strike. It will take time to recover, but it will eventually recover. The league is still strong in Canada. Attendance is high. Arenas are selling out (18 teams have 90+% attendance per game). Traditional markets are still successful, for the most part. The only thing the league does need to worry about is the fact that ESPN isn't involved with the NHL. By NHL standards, they aren't doing that bad.
The one thing I believe professional sports leagues should do is to straight up avoid putting teams in non-natural markets. Here are a few examples:
-Jacksonville Jaguars, 11-5, 88.5% attendance (Lowest in the NFL)
-Dallas Stars, NHL, 42-25-5, only 96.9%?
-New Orleans, NBA, 42-20, only 77.4%?
-Colorado, MLB, 90-73, 57.7%
Hockey in Texas? Baseball in the Rocky Mountains? No. And maybe the Hornets should have stayed in Oklahoma. The Hornets were no where near as good last year, and yet they had higher attendance from playing games in Oklahoma City.
Baseball is a very regional sport. It matters more to people in the Northeast than it does to people in other regions of the country. There is little to no parity in the league, due to no salary cap. However, the fact that there is no salary cap enables Major League Baseball to get in all the money from the New York and Boston markets, which is helping them get close to catching up with the NFL in money.
Football is has not been on the downswing, is not on the downswing, and nor will it be on the downswing for a very, very long time. To say otherwise is preposterous. The league is fairly popular to highly popular in 32 cities in America.
Hockey is better this year than it was the first year after the strike. It will take time to recover, but it will eventually recover. The league is still strong in Canada. Attendance is high. Arenas are selling out (18 teams have 90+% attendance per game). Traditional markets are still successful, for the most part. The only thing the league does need to worry about is the fact that ESPN isn't involved with the NHL. By NHL standards, they aren't doing that bad.
The one thing I believe professional sports leagues should do is to straight up avoid putting teams in non-natural markets. Here are a few examples:
-Jacksonville Jaguars, 11-5, 88.5% attendance (Lowest in the NFL)
-Dallas Stars, NHL, 42-25-5, only 96.9%?
-New Orleans, NBA, 42-20, only 77.4%?
-Colorado, MLB, 90-73, 57.7%
Hockey in Texas? Baseball in the Rocky Mountains? No. And maybe the Hornets should have stayed in Oklahoma. The Hornets were no where near as good last year, and yet they had higher attendance from playing games in Oklahoma City.
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crazybuckfan40
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daveeb;1113291; said:
The only thing I want to hit on here is NO...It is really a bad example for different circumstances...They have sold out tho lately I believe, so those are only going to get better...
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AKAKBUCK;1103055; said:
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You have a league that was saturated with a failure of skill. My point with one of my friends who is a huge NBA fan has been why should I watch the NBA when it's a league in which a High School kid has enough skill to be competitive? I mean, serisously... if skill sufficient to dominating a bunch of 16 year old kids is all it takes, I'll watch something else.
Pretty much the same reason golf doesn't interest me as I think about it. Any game in which my 70+ year old father in law can be reasonably competitive in is not something I'm willing to watch on TV.
Back to the NBA, I must confess, I am begining to contemplate the idea of checking out the occassional Cavs game because I hear LaBron is unreal (which, of course, I've heard since he was in High School) and worth watching. Frankly, it'll probably take the Cavs getting to the Finals before I'll actually do it though.
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