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ND Responds

Discussion in 'College Football' started by NOTREDAMECHIEF, Apr 5, 2004.

  1. MililaniBuckeye

    MililaniBuckeye The satanic soulless freight train that is Ohio St Staff Member Tech Admin

    I ain't registering to read the article only to get inundated with spam. Paste the article here.
  2. Academics and Football: Notre Dame Traditions

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    Published: April 4, 2004


    [​IMG]n November 2002, the Oakland Raiders receiver Tim Brown, a 1987 Heisman Trophy winner at Notre Dame, told a Denver Post interviewer about racial tensions he had encountered as an African-American in Texas and California.

    "When we were in L.A. it was pretty bad," he said. "I had people who lived next to me who never spoke to me, who if I came outside would run in their house, like I was the bogeyman."

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    Tim then talked about his college life. "When I went to Notre Dame, most of my friends were white and Chinese, all different kinds of nationalities. I left Notre Dame saying, `Wow, the world is really a great place.' But being in L.A. and even back home in Dallas can be very eye-opening."

    Race remains an issue that is rarely far from the surface of American life. This was proved again last week when another Irish Heisman winner, Paul Hornung, said Notre Dame should lower its academic standards "because we must get the black athlete if we're going to compete."

    Fortunately, Paul has since apologized for the insensitivity of those remarks, but the furor on ESPN and the sports pages has unleashed a torrent of theories and occasional misinformation about Notre Dame and its football program.

    A few facts follow:

    ¶A majority of our current team and our incoming class of freshman players is African-American. The current scholarship roster includes 34 African-Americans and 33 white players. In the class arriving late this summer, 12 of the 17 are African-American.

    ¶Though there is a perception that our academic standards make it difficult for athletes to succeed, the graduation rate for Notre Dame student athletes was recognized last fall by USA Today as the best in the nation at 92 percent. In standings announced by the N.C.A.A. last December, we ranked sixth in graduating African-American athletes (78 percent).

    Also, no university had more former players — 40 — in the National Football League last season than Notre Dame.

    Yes, our football team had a 5-7 record last season, after going 10-3 the season before. Over the years we have had many great seasons and a few dismal ones.

    It is true that we admit some promising athletes who would not gain admission on their academic credentials alone. But we will not admit any student who does not have the capacity to attain a legitimate degree with his or her class. In the past 30 years, our standards for "special interests" have remained constant while the academic profile of the student body as a whole has grown even stronger.

    In the face of stiffer competition academically, we feel a moral obligation to see that our athletes get a quality education and a meaningful degree. To achieve this, we surround our student athletes with a support system for academics and life skills.

    As a Catholic university in Indiana, we may not seem like a natural choice for many African-American students, but we have made progress toward greater diversity. Our overall minority population has grown to 17 percent from 12 percent in 1984. Last year's incoming freshman class hit 20 percent, and this year's will as well.

    In my years as president of Notre Dame, we have emphasized the importance of greater racial and ethnic diversity. As someone who teaches an English seminar each semester, I can assert from my firsthand experience that the African-American students are not only well qualified, but they also enhance considerably the overall learning environment here.

    The university is committed to excellence and success in all that we do. We dearly want to win consistently in football. It is a major part of our heritage and our tradition. During my four undergraduate years (1959-63), Notre Dame had the worst record in football in the team's modern history. Critics were decrying our ability to succeed. Yet, we rebounded to win several national championships.

    In Tyrone Willingham, we have a head football coach who represents the best of what intercollegiate sports is all about. He will continue to recruit outstanding athletes who fit Notre Dame.

    It is noteworthy that our commencement speaker this spring will be Alan Page, an African-American from Notre Dame who is a member of the collegiate and professional football Halls of Fame. He will speak to our graduates as a member of the Supreme Court of Minnesota and as the founder in 1988 of the Page Education Foundation, which has provided educational opportunities for 1,885 young people from deprived backgrounds.

    After a disappointing season in football, we are not far from success. We expect to win, and to send into the world more men and women who succeed like Alan Page and represent all Notre Dame stands for.

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    Rev. Edward A. Malloy has been president of the University of Notre Dame since 1987.
  3. DiHard

    DiHard Guest

    17-20% of the total schools enrollment is african-american.....yet 50% of the football team is african-american....

    whats hornybugs point again????
  4. vrbryant

    vrbryant Ever thus to ____ers Staff Member

    Not going to bother getting too elaborate.

    That has no bearing whatsoever on Hornung's comments.

    That also has no bearing whatsoever on Hornung's comments.

    Fewer than half of those players are skill position athletes, and only a handful are starters.

    Recruiting is the issue, and while I couldn't speak accurately as to what their national recruitment class rankings have been of late, I rarely see them beating out the schools that aren't so academically demanding (i.e. Texas, Florida, Florida State, Ohio State, etc.).

    Has no bearing on Hornung's comments.

    Sure, they just won't be elite skill position athletes.

    No it isn't.

    Good for you. You're still a step behind in the recruiting game because of your academic standards, and that's all Hornung ever said. So shut the fuck up, whitey.
  5. DiHard

    DiHard Guest

    maybe african-american young athletes have finally realized that going to notre dame is not what it once was......think about it....indiana sucks for h.s. football talent....

    if you are a great h.s. player (african american).. where are you looking at.....i can list these that would be above nd..depending on where you are growing no particular order...


    thats what....17 teams right a few others i couldnt remember....that have dibs over nd plays a ridiculous schedule....this equals 5-7....nd just isnt attractive anymore b/c of BOTH the academic requirements and poor football performance...
  6. MililaniBuckeye

    MililaniBuckeye The satanic soulless freight train that is Ohio St Staff Member Tech Admin

    "So shut the fuck up, whitey"

  7. CleveBucks

    CleveBucks Serenity now Staff Member

    What has Ty said about the remarks? I haven't seen him comment publicly yet. Did ND have to lower its standards "to get the Black coach" too?

    I've read numerous articles from recruits in the last year that were turned off by TW's style of recruiting. Anybody remember the story of TW not leaving Brian Toal's couch until he agreed to visit ND?

    ND has to wake up and face reality. Today's high school kids don't remember a time when ND was ever that great. They don't care that ND is on NBC. Every other major college program has similar TV arrangements. They don't care that ND isn't in a conference. In fact they'd probably rather have a conference title to shoot for than a spot in the Gator or some other Big Least-quality bowl bid.
  8. 3yardsandacloud

    3yardsandacloud Administrator Emeritus

    Cleve ... here's Ty's first comments on PH (he doesn't say much):

    From ESPN

    Thursday, April 1, 2004
    Updated: April 3, 2:33 AM ET
    'Let's move forward,' Notre Dame coach says

    Associated Press

    SOUTH BEND, Ind. -- Notre Dame coach Tyrone Willingham dismissed comments by former Heisman Trophy winner Paul Hornung that the school needs to lower its academic standards to admit more black athletes.

    "I believe the things that were said really have no merit, so therefore they deserve no real comment from me," Willingham said after spring practice Thursday. "Let's move forward."

    In a radio interview Tuesday, Hornung said that Notre Dame needs to lower its academic standards to "get the black athlete." The next day, Hornung said he was wrong and should have said the university needs to lower its standards to get better athletes in general.

    Notre Dame spokesman Matthew Storin said in a statement Wednesday that the 1956 Heisman winner was an illustrious alumnus, but that his comments were "generally insensitive and specifically insulting to our past and current African-American student-athletes."

    Willingham, Notre Dame's first black head coach in any sport, on Thursday declined to answer further questions about Hornung or whether Notre Dame needs to change its academic standards. In the past he has said there is no need for the school to change its academic standards.

    Linebacker Brandon Hoyte, who is black, said he was surprised by Hornung's comments.

    "I think regardless of who says it, whenever you hear a comment like that you're always overtaken and you're always shocked," he said.

    BTW, NDChief, your post should have been inserted into the thread we already have going on Paul Hornung. ND's response didn't require or merit it's very own thread (IMO). Please keep that in mind in the future. Thanks.

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