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New York Knicks (2x NBA Champions)

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If you want to watch good NBA watch the Nuggets. OKC is fun to watch as well, Durantula is a beast and Westbrook is explosive as well.

I'm disappointed I missed out on watching Lin before Melo came back to the Knicks. When Amare and Nash played together on the Suns that was exciting to watch.
 
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AuTX Buckeye;2112941; said:
So, i haven't watched a minute of NBA action this year... is this Jeremy Lin kid that good? is the NBA so [Mark May]ty as a whole that some guy with some fundamentals can come in and torch the league? Or is there just not enough tape of him and eventually he falls back to earth?

I mean [Mark May] I heard Dallas was double teaming him... the NBA is such a [Mark May]ty league
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Lin actually is a very good player, and has plenty of size and talent to sustain it over time. This is NOT a Tebow situation where he is defying all odds to succeed.... He actually does have the tools to be good this has just been his first chance to showcase it.

CentralMOBuck above me made a good comparison. Lin is a lot like Steve Nash in the sense of playing the pick and roll very well and being able to hit 3 pointers. Lin can also drive to the basket and make some crazy shots, but he also has a tendency to turn it over while doing this sometimes. The Knicks are Linfinitely better with Jeremy handling the ball the majority of the time and distributing it to his teammates.
 
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It is no accident that Denver got better when they got rid of Melo. He's a one-trick pony, like Allen Iverson. He can score, but he's a liability everywhere else on the floor. He'll shoot 45%, but put up enough shots to get a decent number of points.

Iverson never won anything, and Carmelo won't, either.
 
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Jake;2113000; said:
It is no accident that Denver got better when they got rid of Melo. He's a one-trick pony, like Allen Iverson. He can score, but he's a liability everywhere else on the floor. He'll shoot 45%, but put up enough shots to get a decent number of points.

Iverson never won anything, and Carmelo won't, either.
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He's the definition of a "volume scorer". He's a decent shooter, but doesn't rebound or play defense for shit. No team centered around him will ever win a title.
 
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NFBuck said:
He's the definition of a "volume scorer". He's a decent shooter, but doesn't rebound or play defense for shit. No team centered around him will ever win a title.
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Personally, I love the Knicks roster right now, minus Carmelo. Surround Jeremy Lin with two guys who can run the pick and roll in Stoudemire and Chandler, and then fill the rest of the roster with knock down three point shooters in Smith, Novak, and Walker or guys who can play within the system and defend like Fields and Shumpert.

And I disagree on JR Smith, I think he's a great player for the Knicks because he gives the second unit a playmaker, which hopefully will allow Lin to sit some. Right now he has to play 40+ minutes per game because he's their entire offense. I think JR allows them to do something with the second unit.

Melo is a ball stopper, and the way this offense is successful is just run pick-and-rolls until they get a shot. Lin runs a pick-and-roll, if it doesn't result in a good look they bring it back out to Lin and he does it again until they get a good look or they have to put up a shot. Melo takes all the rhythm out of that offense.
 
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BengalsAndBucks;2113105; said:
Personally, I love the Knicks roster right now, minus Carmelo. Surround Jeremy Lin with two guys who can run the pick and roll in Stoudemire and Chandler, and then fill the rest of the roster with knock down three point shooters in Smith, Novak, and Walker or guys who can play within the system and defend like Fields and Shumpert.

And I disagree on JR Smith, I think he's a great player for the Knicks because he gives the second unit a playmaker, which hopefully will allow Lin to sit some. Right now he has to play 40+ minutes per game because he's their entire offense. I think JR allows them to do something with the second unit.

Melo is a ball stopper, and the way this offense is successful is just run pick-and-rolls until they get a shot. Lin runs a pick-and-roll, if it doesn't result in a good look they bring it back out to Lin and he does it again until they get a good look or they have to put up a shot. Melo takes all the rhythm out of that offense.
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If you watch JR Smith long enough he will drive you crazy. He goes off on incredible shooting streaks that are beyond belief. Everything he throws up goes in. This is interspersed with cold spells, strings of turnovers, and mind numbing dumb plays, often at the worst times. George Karl could never cure him of this inconsistent play, and I doubt if any other coach can.
 
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colobuck79;2113111; said:
If you watch JR Smith long enough he will drive you crazy. He goes off on incredible shooting streaks that are beyond belief. Everything he throws up goes in. This is interspersed with cold spells, strings of turnovers, and mind numbing dumb plays, often at the worst times. George Karl could never cure him of this inconsistent play, and I doubt if any other coach can.
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Which is fine on the second unit. JR Smith is what you want coming off the bench. He can get his own shot off whenever he wants and is a surprisingly decent rebounder for his position.

I thought the JR Smith was a great signing as well b/c he can play fast which is what D'Antoni wants. He isn't great in the P&R game, but he can be deadly as a spot-up shooter. And he doesn't have a conscience which is what you want for a spot-up shooter. You just throw him on the court, ask him to stand in a corner, and knock down big shots when the lane is clogged. If the play turns into an open court opportunity, even better...

Unfortunately, Melo is terrible in the open court, and terrible in P&R, b/c he plays slow and lives on ISO sets. They'd be better off shipping Melo away and starting JR Smith with Fields in actuality. If they could get Melo to turn into a stretch SF and have him focus on shooting from the corner and penetrating when the opportunity is there, he could be effective. But there is no way Melo will change his game to be more of a Danny Granger when he's been closer to Paul Pierce his whole life.

Melo is just an awful, awful, awful fit for a D'Antoni system...George Karl certainly knows that.
 
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Speaking of George Karl...I think everyone can agree his system is very similar to D'Antoni's.

George Karl's #1 rule on offense, is to "not kill grass". It's his saying for, don't waste your dribble. He wants his players constantly dribbling/moving with an intent to make something happen. He hates wasted dribbles. Dribbling in the same spot without putting pressure on the defense is just "killing grass".

He fought the "killing grass" motto with JR Smith and Melo' for years. Melo' especially. The guy is a ball-stopper who kills grass for 7 seconds before making a move. Heck, D'Antoni used to preach get a shot off within 7 seconds of the possesion

In an offense like Karl/D'Antoni, it's critical to keep the offense flowing until a good shot is found. The entire philosophy of the system is to play fast to get high % field goal looks, and we're going to end up with more points b/c we took more shots and those shots were high %.

Melo just kills that entire philosophy. He gets you fewer looks, kills grass, and slows the entire tempo down.

At least JR Smith plays fast. Even if its a bad shot, he doesn't waste much time getting to it. And JR Smith excels in the open court. At least you can hope with JR Smith, he'll be content jacking up threes on open looks due to the defense being sucked in on Lin, Stat, and Chandler.
 
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On the cover of SI for the second week in a row.

I can accept that this is the time of year where this kind of thing would be the biggest story going for two weeks in a row. Football is over, college basketball hasn't had a meaningful game yet, baseball hasn't started and George Dohrmann's next hit piece is still a work-in-progress. There's pretty much nothing else going on that Americans will care about.

Still, SI has been so shameless in pimping this thing that I've been avoiding their website and unfollowing all their guys on Twitter. Just to put this in perspective, I don't even follow any NBA guys on the except Dan Gilbert. When guys who don't even remotely cover the NBA are cheerleading and posting long-lost Jeremy Lin YouTube videos that you know it has gone beyond oversaturation.
 
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Was really pleasantly surprised as I watched Melo tonight...he didn't play great, but he certainly kept the ball moving and played within the offense.

Easily, the biggest ball stopper was Stat...as soon as Stat left the game, the Knicks really opened up a sizeable lead. If Carmelo can stay content in this offense....watch out.

Really like the Knicks depth now too...Jared Jeffries has been a god-send in terms of depth. JR Smith fits really well on the second unit too....once Baron gets into basketball shape, that second unit is beastly with Davis, Shumpert, Smith, Novak, Jeffries

I think this is the only team that will be able to beat the Heat.
 
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It's a good thing NY got Melo back to continue the run they were on when Lin entered the starting line up.

They've lost 8 of their last 9.
 
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