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Nomar to the Cubs in 4 team deal.

Discussion in 'Professional Baseball' started by LoKyBuckeye, Jul 31, 2004.

  1. LoKyBuckeye

    LoKyBuckeye I give up. This board is too hard to understand. Staff Member

    Nomar headed to cubs in 4 team deal. Not really suprising. I think he was headed out ever since the Red Sox went after ARod.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/mlb/news;_ylc=X3oDMTBpbmdmam0wBF9TAzI1NjY0ODI1BHNlYwN0bQ--?slug=ap-garciaparratraded&prov=ap&type=lgns

    Garciaparra traded to Cubs, Cabrera to Red Sox in four-team trade

    By HOWARD ULMAN, AP Sports Writer
    July 31, 2004

    BOSTON (AP) -- No more Nomar.

    Trade rumors finally turned into reality when the Boston Red Sox sent five-time All-Star shortstop Nomar Garciaparra to the Chicago Cubs in a four-team deal Saturday shortly before baseball's trade deadline.

    Montreal shortstop Orlando Cabrera, Cubs shortstop Alex Gonzalez and Minnesota first baseman Doug Mientkiewicz also moved in a trade so big that it caught the attention of big leaguers all over.

    ``I can't really picture him playing anywhere else,'' New York Yankees star Derek Jeter said of Garciaparra. ``You think Red Sox, Nomar's the first name you think of.''

    Cubs general manager Jim Hendry was gleeful to get him.

    ``When I got out of the car this morning about 7, I think, I was prepared for a real big day for the Cubs or I would be in here hanging my head a little bit today,'' he said. ``You never go to work thinking he's going to be available.''

    Garciaparra was in the final year of his contract, and Red Sox GM Theo Epstein said he wasn't confident the team would be able to re-sign the two-time AL batting champion. Garciaparra was dressed in his Red Sox jersey, preparing to play at Minnesota, when he heard about the trade.

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    ``My initial reaction was `wow,''' he said.

    ``If it was in my control, I'd still be wearing a Red Sox uniform, because it's the place I know, I love. All of those fans, I'll always remember. But I'm also going to another great place. I'm going to a phenomenal city with great tradition as well, phenomenal fans, great organization.''

    And he added: ``Hopefully, we'll see them in the World Series.''

    The Red Sox wound up with Cabrera and Mientkiewicz, both Gold Glovers.

    ``I thought there was a flaw on the club that we couldn't allow to become a fatal flaw, that the defense on this team is not championship caliber,'' Epstein said. ``In my mind we were not going to win a World Series with our defense the way it was.''

    The Cubs got Garciaparra and minor league outfielder Matt Murton. Montreal acquired Gonzalez, pitcher Francis Beltran and infielder Brendan Harris and the Twins got minor league pitcher Justin Jones.

    ``It was complicated -- so many teams,'' Twins GM Terry Ryan said. ``I can see why things get bogged down. I don't know if deadlines are a good thing or not, we were real close.''

    The Red Sox were close to dealing Garciaparra last winter after he rejected a four-year, $60 million extension.


    AP - Jul 31, 7:23 pm EDT
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    Boston tried furiously to acquire Alex Rodriguez from Texas to play shortstop and although it would have been Manny Ramirez going to the Rangers, the Red Sox would have then shipped out Garciaparra, possibly to either the Chicago White Sox or Los Angeles.

    Instead, Rodriguez went to the Yankees and Garciaparra stayed and stewed. Confessing that his feelings were hurt, he said he still wanted to finish his career with the Red Sox.

    But the good feelings didn't last through spring training. After eight hitless at-bats, he injured his Achilles tendon and missed 57 games with an injury that was supposed to keep him out a week.

    Garciaparra, 31, is batting .321 with five home runs and 21 RBIs in 38 games this season.

    ``When you have a player of that stature, that has spent his entire career there winning MVPs, All-Star game after All-Star game, you really are subject totally to what Theo Epstein decides to do, whether he wants to move him or not,'' Hendry said.

    ``I don't think Theo was going to make a deal just to move Nomar because you heard he wanted to leave or he was unhappy. I don't think that was the case at all,'' he said. ``To be truthful with you, I didn't know for sure if he would ever move him.''

    The Cubs hoped to have Garciaparra available Sunday at Wrigley Field to play against Philadelphia.

    ``I hope so. I have not talked to him yet. He is not too far up the road in Minneapolis, so hopefully he will be here,'' Hendry said.

    Cabrera, a former Gold Glove winner, is batting .246 with four home runs and 31 RBIs. The Expos' future is uncertain, and they've often been forced to trade their best players for young, inexpensive talent.

    ``Just the fact that I didn't sign back with the team, you can tell from there that I don't like the situation,'' Cabrera said.

    ``I'm really excited. I'm going to a contending team. They're fighting for the wild card right now,'' he said. ``Obviously, I have to fill some big shoes with Nomar.''

    Gonzalez has been injured for much of the season. He's hitting only .222 with three home runs and eight RBIs.

    ``I think (Cabrera) expressed that he wanted to move on and explore the free-agent market,'' Montreal GM Omar Minaya said. ``We just felt that it was best for us to go out there and try to at least not get nothing for him.''

    Mientkiewicz is hitting .246 with five homers and 25 RBIs. A crowded roster made him expendable for the AL Central leaders.

    Mientkiewicz was in his Twins' gear at the Metrodome several hours before gametime, talking to reporters, when bench coach Steve Liddle interrupted the session and took him away.

    A little later, Mientkiewicz was dressed in a Red Sox uniform, getting ready to start against the Twins. He got a rousing ovation from his old fans when he was introduced, and his picture on the scoreboard already had him in a Boston hat and jersey.

    ``It's a little awkward right now, but I think it's better for everyone,'' he said. ``The situation over there was a rough one. They gave me an opportunity in the big leagues, and what the Twins are all about is they give the young guys chances.''
     
  2. Being a Yankee fan I always felt sort of sorry for the Red Sox until there MASKED catcher went after A-ROD and then several of there players went after the Yankee pitcher.
     
  3. BuckeyeSoldier

    BuckeyeSoldier 2 time Reigning BuckeyePlanet Poker Champion

    wait, you are yankee fan? and a nd fan? are you also a cowboys/49ers fan and a bulls/lakers fan? i think im seeing a trend....
     
  4. ND CHIEF- Now think real hard and which NFL is my favorite....
     
  5. Bucklion

    Bucklion Throwback Staff Member Former Premier League Champ

    I live here, and I don't think this trade is going to do them shit. Yes, I will agree they traded virtually nothing to get him, eliminating the "Lou Brock" and Robert Parish" and "Herschel Walker" trade disaster levels, but IMO they basically got an oft-injured, inconsistent, and generally disgruntled SS, who will not be good for locker room morale, while trading a weak-hitting, but young and well-liked one. Oh yeah, and "Nomah" will probably bolt at the end of the season to play with the Dodgers, Giants, or even the Yankees (he'll play second there) in the offseason. The Cubs are about a dozen out of first, so they won't catch the Cards, and they are in the wild card hunt, but have an injured pitching staff and no closer worth a crap. Nomar is good in the postseason, but if they don't make it this year, my guess is they have nothing to show for this "Greatest trade in Cubs history" as the Trib says today. I've got nothing against the guy personally, but I think this trade is 9 parts hype, one part value.
     
  6. sears3820

    sears3820 Sitting around in my underwear.... Staff Member

    Poor Nomar....

    Going from one cursed franchise to another.

    Theo messed this one up.

    WTF are you talking about????

    Tanyone Sturtze came up behind Gabe Kapler and grabbed him by the throat to start things off. Little did Sturtze know that he bit off more than he could chew and then proceded to get worked over.

    As for 'Tek not taking his mask off, that's a smart move. Maybe A-Rod shouldn't have been challenging him to a fight if he didn't want to get smacked in the face.
     
  7. YEAH and then two other Red Sox players jumped in!! If your players had not jumped in maybe it was not more than he could chew....

    As for A-ROD he had every reason to mouth off after your pitcher threw one at him! BIG BAD TEK!! So big and bad he kept his mask on....

    Red-Sox - Yankees !! What rivalry?? IN ORDER TO HAVE A RIVALRY MORE THAN ONE TEAM WINS....

    Cursed franchise -ohh please....

    Sears- -YANKEE-SOX DISPUTE ASIDE!! What do you think of this trade? Looks to me like a good move for your team! Your team is damn good ! I HAVE TO ADMIT THAT!
     
    Last edited: Aug 1, 2004
  8. sears3820

    sears3820 Sitting around in my underwear.... Staff Member

    They were sticking up for their own after Sturtze came up from behind Kapler and started choking him like a pussy.

    ARod challenged Varitek to fight. If you challenge someone to fight, all bets are off. He presented the challenge, Varitek answered the challenge. Still a smart move to keep the mask on by 'Tek. If you were going to get into a fight with someone and had a protective mask on, why in the hell would you take it off?

    Look at Arroyo's stats among pitchers. He's 3rd in in MLB in hit batsmen. He has a history of control problems. He hit A-Rod in the damn elbow (the same elbow that A-Rod has a huge piece of body armor on)with an off-speed pitch. It's obvious that neither the umpires nor Bob Watson deemed the pitch intentional, so despite A-Rod's "reason to believe" he was a target, the opinion is not shared by others. Otherwise, Arroyo would have been subjected to at least some form of disciplinary action don't you think????

    What I find amazing is that these Yankee fanboys forget to mention that Nomar was hit the night before. He didn't walk up the baseline in an absolute pussy fit that A-Rod did. That pitch wasn't intentional, and nethier was the one from Arroyo because of the reasons I outlined above.

    I don't know if you've ever played baseball before but when you want to intentionally hit someone, you hit 'em with a fastball.


    I don't like the trade for us. Had Matt Clement been a part of the deal, I would have liked it a little bit more.
     
  9. JCOSU86

    JCOSU86 2019 Rose Bowl Champions! Staff Member

    The Steelers
     

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