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Academics and Football: Notre Dame TraditionsMililaniBuckeye said:I ain't registering to read the article only to get inundated with spam. Paste the article here.
That has no bearing whatsoever on Hornung's comments.A majority of our current team and our incoming class of freshman players is African-American. The current scholarship roster includes 34 African-Americans and 33 white players. In the class arriving late this summer, 12 of the 17 are African-American.
That also has no bearing whatsoever on Hornung's comments.Though there is a perception that our academic standards make it difficult for athletes to succeed, the graduation rate for Notre Dame student athletes was recognized last fall by USA Today as the best in the nation at 92 percent. In standings announced by the N.C.A.A. last December, we ranked sixth in graduating African-American athletes (78 percent).
Fewer than half of those players are skill position athletes, and only a handful are starters.Also, no university had more former players — 40 — in the National Football League last season than Notre Dame.
Recruiting is the issue, and while I couldn't speak accurately as to what their national recruitment class rankings have been of late, I rarely see them beating out the schools that aren't so academically demanding (i.e. Texas, Florida, Florida State, Ohio State, etc.).Yes, our football team had a 5-7 record last season, after going 10-3 the season before. Over the years we have had many great seasons and a few dismal ones.
Has no bearing on Hornung's comments.As a Catholic university in Indiana, we may not seem like a natural choice for many African-American students, but we have made progress toward greater diversity. Our overall minority population has grown to 17 percent from 12 percent in 1984. Last year's incoming freshman class hit 20 percent, and this year's will as well.
Sure, they just won't be elite skill position athletes.In Tyrone Willingham, we have a head football coach who represents the best of what intercollegiate sports is all about. He will continue to recruit outstanding athletes who fit Notre Dame.
No it isn't.It is noteworthy that our commencement speaker this spring will be Alan Page, an African-American from Notre Dame who is a member of the collegiate and professional football Halls of Fame.
Good for you. You're still a step behind in the recruiting game because of your academic standards, and that's all Hornung ever said. So shut the fuck up, whitey.After a disappointing season in football, we are not far from success. We expect to win, and to send into the world more men and women who succeed like Alan Page and represent all Notre Dame stands for.
DaddyBigBucks;647236; said:Ohio State's relationship with Notre Dame is not that complicated. Especially the relationship of ND to Buckeye Fans at BP.
Judging from the quality of the posting here, my best guess is that the average age on this board is about 15 years older than the average age on other Buckeye boards that I will not name. I am not trying to be funny. I am serious, and I think I am being kind.
What make that relevant is that the overwhelming majority of the fans here remember decades during which the MULTITUDE of ND fans that live amongst us were dismissive and condescending. They are only that way about their delusions of being the "only clean program in Div. IA" right now. They are no longer dismissive and condescending with respect to football prowess. Not compared to the 80's.
Many, if not most of us here were old enough at the time to remember the days in the 80s when the 95-96? series was scheduled. ND fans at the time literally sniffed at us with contempt and asked, "Why would you schedule us. You're nowhere near our level. It's suicide."
You don't deal with that for as long as we did without harboring resentment of a kind. For most of us, the outcome of the mid-90s series salved that wound. For most of the rest, a recent bowl game scratched the residual itch.
All that's left really is just enough morbid curiosity that when the same old ND hubris raises its head we sit up and take notice. The trash-talking that preceded the beat-down last January was a carnival side-show. The complaining about the Irish of all teams getting jobbed by the polls is nothing short of stand-up comedy. At this point, we're just having fun.
We know that these things run in cycles and that Jim Tressel won't live forever. But we'll never be talked-down to again.
And oh by the way, yes I have heard an ND fan say that they were the only clean program in Div. IA.
I thought you'd get a kick out of that one.
DaddyBigBucks;647236; said:Ohio State's relationship with Notre Dame is not that complicated. Especially the relationship of ND to Buckeye Fans at BP.
Judging from the quality of the posting here, my best guess is that the average age on this board is about 15 years older than the average age on other Buckeye boards that I will not name. I am not trying to be funny. I am serious, and I think I am being kind.
What make that relevant is that the overwhelming majority of the fans here remember decades during which the MULTITUDE of ND fans that live amongst us were dismissive and condescending. They are only that way about their delusions of being the "only clean program in Div. IA" right now. They are no longer dismissive and condescending with respect to football prowess. Not compared to the 80's.
Many, if not most of us here were old enough at the time to remember the days in the 80s when the 95-96? series was scheduled. ND fans at the time literally sniffed at us with contempt and asked, "Why would you schedule us. You're nowhere near our level. It's suicide."
You don't deal with that for as long as we did without harboring resentment of a kind. For most of us, the outcome of the mid-90s series salved that wound. For most of the rest, a recent bowl game scratched the residual itch.
All that's left really is just enough morbid curiosity that when the same old ND hubris raises its head we sit up and take notice. The trash-talking that preceded the beat-down last January was a carnival side-show. The complaining about the Irish of all teams getting jobbed by the polls is nothing short of stand-up comedy. At this point, we're just having fun.
We know that these things run in cycles and that Jim Tressel won't live forever. But we'll never be talked-down to again.
And oh by the way, yes I have heard an ND fan say that they were the only clean program in Div. IA.
I thought you'd get a kick out of that one.
EDIT: In case you're wondering, I was typing my response when Mili posted what appears directly above it. His post proves my point and vice versa.