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Notre Dame Fighting Irish (official thread of bowl failures)

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ulukinatme;653844; said:
Ahhhh...ok? So they play in the same conference as another team we played, but why would that make them worth mentioning? Most years I would consider Nebraska, Oklahoma, Florida State, or Tennessee tougher opponents than a team like UCLA and definitly Washington. So by listing those teams in a PAC-10 setting, aren't you supporting my argument that a conference schedule could lead to an easier path for a bowl game?

I'll concede that UCLA may have a good year hear and there, but people don't often look forward to a game with the Bruins (Not last time I checked anyway). The idea was to boast teams we've played in previous years with storied histories and get national recognition a decent amount of the time. My point was, aside from the 1-3 military acadamies we play each year (Depending on the way the schedule falls), we normally don't have too many cupcakes outside of that. North Carolina may be the only real cupcake outside the military academies this year, unfortunately we have all 3 this year though.
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Ah yes, "most years"...but not last year, that's for sure. The name of the team means absolutely nothing...Tennessee sucked last year. Sorry. If you had beaten Tennessee in 2000, it would have mattered. Last year it meant nothing. Are you honestly going to say that beating Michigan last year and beating Michigan this year is the same thing "just because they're Michigan"? Uh, no. You may think your schedule looks more impressive because you play teams that have been good before that casual fans might recognize, but it isn't. It is only impressive if you play (and beat) good teams THAT YEAR...and last year you didn't.
 
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ulukinatme;653844; said:
Ahhhh...ok? So they play in the same conference as another team we played, but why would that make them worth mentioning? Most years I would consider Nebraska, Oklahoma, Florida State, or Tennessee tougher opponents than a team like UCLA and definitly Washington. So by listing those teams in a PAC-10 setting, aren't you supporting my argument that a conference schedule could lead to an easier path for a bowl game?

I'll concede that UCLA may have a good year hear and there, but people don't often look forward to a game with the Bruins (Not last time I checked anyway). The idea was to boast teams we've played in previous years with storied histories and get national recognition a decent amount of the time. My point was, aside from the 1-3 military acadamies we play each year (Depending on the way the schedule falls), we normally don't have too many cupcakes outside of that. North Carolina may be the only real cupcake outside the military academies this year, unfortunately we have all 3 this year though.
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And now for the reading impaired. It's not like you have winning records against these "leading brands", you win when they finish at the bottom of their conferences for the most part. Stop yelling brand names when they kick your arses except when they are at their worst. In those years, the brands your are disrespecting finish in the main better than Notre Dame and the teams you are shouting about beating.

What is it about the facts I posted earlier that you guys don't understand?
 
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Look at the pot calling the kettle black....
This all started because I said Notre Dame could have an easier time getting to a bowl game by joining some conferences rather than playing their own schedule. Playing a PAC-10 schedule where the biggest threats are USC, Oregon, and occasionally one other team would be a blessing compared to some of the schedules we have each year.
I never said that ND wins all their tough games, but they still schedule the tough ones regardless. I would rather take a chance and play a close, exciting game against a tough team than say...steamroll some cupcakes all season. As far as Tennessee goes, there was no way of telling years ago that they would have sucked last year, but Tennessee is usually a good team, so it was a good choice for most years. Tennessee most years would be a much tougher opponent than UCLA, which is the toughest opponent it seems OSU has scheduled outside the Big10 aside from Texas.
 
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ulukinatme;654367; said:
Tennessee most years would be a much tougher opponent than UCLA, which is the toughest opponent it seems OSU has scheduled outside the Big10 aside from Texas.
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Washington, Washington State and Miami (FL) might have something to say about that.....
 
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ulukinatme;654367; said:
Look at the pot calling the kettle black....
This all started because I said Notre Dame could have an easier time getting to a bowl game by joining some conferences rather than playing their own schedule. Playing a PAC-10 schedule where the biggest threats are USC, Oregon, and occasionally one other team would be a blessing compared to some of the schedules we have each year.
I never said that ND wins all their tough games, but they still schedule the tough ones regardless. I would rather take a chance and play a close, exciting game against a tough team than say...steamroll some cupcakes all season. As far as Tennessee goes, there was no way of telling years ago that they would have sucked last year, but Tennessee is usually a good team, so it was a good choice for most years. Tennessee most years would be a much tougher opponent than UCLA, which is the toughest opponent it seems OSU has scheduled outside the Big10 aside from Texas.
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What pot? What kettle? WTF?

The point here is simple: ND fans tout their schedule as being tough. Sometimes it is, sometimes it isn't, but the names on the schedule are not the determining factor. Yes, Tennessee is good most years, but they weren't last year. Is that your "fault"? Of course not. LIKEWISE: do you get credit for playing a tough game if all you can point to is a "storied" program? Absolutely NOT. Washington State went to the Rose Bowl in 2002 when we played them. Tennessee was 5-6 last year. The Washington State team we beat then was better than the Tennessee team you beat last year, even though they can't point to their "storied" tradition. Hell Minnesota owned college football in the 20's and 30's...should we get credit for playing an elite team everytime we play the Gophers, even if they are 4-7? But, but, but...they have such a storied past! You played Michigan this year and last year...do those victories/losses count the same just because it is Michigan? Uh.....NOT. Look at all the teams beating Florida State now...is that impressive just because they used to be a Top 5 team from 1990-2000? Er...NO. What matters is how good the teams are you play...not how good they were in past years you didn't play them. Get it?

The bottom line is ultra-defensive ND fans can't acknowledge that the schedule you played last year would have been a killer...had it been 1988. But it wasn't. Syracuse, Tennessee, Washington...the rest of the world says "who cares?" Now if UNC was 9-1, Purdue was 9-1, and Air Force was 9-1 this year, you'd all be saying what a tough schedule you played, despite the "tradition" of those schools. You can't have it both ways.
 
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When have you scheduled Miami in the regular season, at least in the last 10 years(Thats as far back as I can search currently)? Granted, we haven't scheduled Miami either in the last 10 years during the regular season, the last one was in 88 or 89 I think. Washington still sucks, Tyrone Willingham is such a great coach hes really turned them around...Washington State in '02-'03 would be decent, but they're only good for a few seasons before they drop off again, when you guys scheduled them they were probably in the middle of their usual seasons.

Notre Dame will be absolutely demolished in their bowl game. I know it's cliche to say Notre Dame is overrated by they really are. They would struggle to go to a bowl game in any conference.
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This was the original response I was going with. I simply put out that ND could have had a shot to run the table in a conference like the ACC, other conferences are debateable as it pertains to this year. It would seem weird to see ND in the ACC, but it would be strange to see them in any conference in football. They were thinking about joining in '98 I think when Miami and other teams were heading that way, but they decided to stick with the Big East and also rejected an invitation for their other sports to join the Big 10.
Anyway, that was my main point....I didn't say OSU played an easy schedule, I didn't say Notre Dame beat every one of the tough teams they played (By any stretch of the imagination), I simply said that many years they could benefit from a conference schedule when it came to bowl games :shake:
I was unaware Ohio State fans ran around to every board they could find touting their schedule. Likewise, I was unaware that they did so so often they earned a reputation of the same.
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You mean ND fans? If so, this is the only OSU board I post on, because your mods were real cool during the Fiesta bowl game last year and sent the invitation. I think most years we have a good schedule, yes, not this year though.
 
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ulukinatme said:
When have you scheduled Miami in the regular season, at least in the last 10 years
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Now I hope you are not going to parse the term "regular season" when you see this answer.
1999 Giants Stadium, Kick-Off Classic, Miami vs Ohio State (Buckeyes went down 23-12), opening game of that season. The bleeding started early when Miami took their first possession in for a TD, then capped it with a Santana Moss run past the OSU secondary for damned near 70 yards.
That was by my admittedly very old-fashioned math just over 7 years ago.

I'd like to claim the NC Fiesta Bowl, but you did say regular, not post-season.

BTW, as far as I can tell from talking to ND alumni relatives there is damned close to zero chance that ND will ever again go for Convicts vs Catholics. (Though if they chose to do so, it would not, at this time, be a tough game).
 
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ulukinatme said:
When have you scheduled Miami in the regular season, at least in the last 10 years(Thats as far back as I can search currently)? Granted, we haven't scheduled Miami either in the last 10 years during the regular season, the last one was in 88 or 89 I think. Washington still sucks, Tyrone Willingham is such a great coach hes really turned them around...Washington State in '02-'03 would be decent, but they're only good for a few seasons before they drop off again, when you guys scheduled them they were probably in the middle of their usual seasons.
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Is your argument regarding the strength of the teams when the games were scheduled, when they were played, or both?
 
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Damn, I did miss that kickoff classic against Miami, I apologize then. Whatever resource I used previously wasn't very reputable it seems, and unfortunately it seems ESPN only covers as far back as 2002 from what I can see. This time I checked the past schedule straight from the OSU athletics website and found it.

As far as the Catholics vs. Convicts game, I think you're right. I don't think ND will schedule another one anytime soon, at least in Miami. The last one was embarassing for Miami fans (Probably like the FIU game), my family was at the game, they saw Miami fans spitting on ND fans there and apparantly lots of other things they wouldn't mention to me. Basically just bad sportsmanship, poor manners, and worse things. I didn't get to see it for myself though, I wasn't going to games yet at that time, my first one was the Boston College upset of '93 :pissed:
 
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Steve19;654114; said:
And now for the reading impaired. It's not like you have winning records against these "leading brands", you win when they finish at the bottom of their conferences for the most part. Stop yelling brand names when they kick your arses except when they are at their worst. In those years, the brands your are disrespecting finish in the main better than Notre Dame and the teams you are shouting about beating.

What is it about the facts I posted earlier that you guys don't understand?
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SIGH!! ND's combined record against Nebraska, FSU,Tenn. and Oklahoma
21-17-1 What is it about the "facts" that you don't understand.
 
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